|
Post by Kija on Apr 30, 2009 16:47:17 GMT -6
The server is finally back. You can connect at the address byond://72.249.170.161:1626.
Thank you, Ralph, for your hosting offer.
|
|
|
Post by Vahu on Apr 30, 2009 21:23:17 GMT -6
Nice to see the server back! Thanks for hosting, Ralphie! Now I can grind again, yay
|
|
|
Post by Speedy mc Speedy, Infamous DG2 on May 1, 2009 7:19:37 GMT -6
A Thanks to Ralphy, for letting us use his shell server. Explains the awesome Upload speeds.
Now..Back to grinding a pure strength Knight. I forgot how much damage they actually did. <3
|
|
|
Post by Sur Realis on May 1, 2009 8:55:16 GMT -6
A Thanks to Ralphy, for letting us use his shell server. Explains the awesome Upload speeds. Now..Back to grinding a pure strength Knight. I forgot how much damage they actually did. <3 A pure Str Knight is one of the dumber builds you can have for a Knight, short of pure Dex. A large portion of using a Knight is about knowing how to use them, and it has been agreed by many people that some of the better knights *COUGHU.DYECOUGH* use builds that actually have minimal to none in Strength. In fact, Kayohs Realis is only about 1/5 Str, and Divusmor Raymatus is about, what, 1/3? A lot of people that have Knights at ToTE and are well known have builds that center more around Vit, HP, or sometimes a little Dex. Seriously, being a Knight is mostly about knowing where and when to use skills, and how to play in interaction with other players than DEALING UBER THOUSANDS OF DAMAGE. If you wanted to DEAL UBER THOUSANDS OF DAMAGE, you should have been a Goon. Any Goon that isn't pure Str is just retarded. Oh wait, that makes Unovazero retarded for being the only Dragoon that is not a glass cannon. Besides that, pure builds overall are complete fail. I guarantee you a Level 55 Black Mage, or even a Level 50 Black Mage, that ISN'T pure WP like Jumin, is overall more effective. Jumin just happens to be so overpowered that he's known for being the second-highest leveled character and having the highest Willpower. Oh, and also being plagued by Rub. The only class that more than anything relies on it's build is the Thief, because it makes a huge difference if you put emphasis on Str, Vit, HP, or Agi. I should know, considering I'm one of, what, the three most known Thieves? But besides that, I know my way around the classes, considering I have had all the classes past Grygasz at one point or another, and have spent countless months stuck in Mona. I've seen a lot of players through the game, and in my experience of playing THG over, what, almost two years now? In my experience, I've found that the players with custom-made, non-pure builds tend to always play better than those that have extremely simple builds. You might be less of a nuisance if you didn't do something that everyone else has done and didn't try to look like everyone else. EDIT: Nevermind, you are 'too cool' to read what I type, so I'll say this shorter, just for you: You are a dumbass. KIJA! You need to update the server address in the news marquee and news fader.
|
|
|
Post by Divusmors on May 1, 2009 14:12:58 GMT -6
Divusmor is 3/4 str. It's also playing style, too, that factors into what builds you could use, and what you shouldn't. It's why I've outlived most bms as a pure wp, than those even putting in vit and hp. It's why Sand is still one of the top players, as a pure str, and died at lower levels as little as I did on reap.
There is no perfect build, or close to it really, because of how we focus our strengths and weakness. As for that damage claim, no.. I'd give it to knights. Sure, goons can deal 11k to a monster while a knight tops at, what, 7500? But I've never seen a goon stack 1100 on 15 monsters in the same turn, totally 16500 damage. You want power hits for the high hp and high defense monsters, take goon. If you want spread hits for low hp monsters and clusterfucks, take knight.
Oh yeah. YAY, server up! (I am SO on topic lol)
|
|
|
Post by Joker The Royale on May 1, 2009 15:08:56 GMT -6
So, Kija, can we finally post shit from the private server now, seeig as how the real server is up, if so, I must spam Sorens MSN/
|
|
|
Post by Sur Realis on May 1, 2009 15:41:21 GMT -6
Divusmor is 3/4 str. It's also playing style, too, that factors into what builds you could use, and what you shouldn't. It's why I've outlived most bms as a pure wp, than those even putting in vit and hp. It's why Sand is still one of the top players, as a pure str, and died at lower levels as little as I did on reap. There is no perfect build, or close to it really, because of how we focus our strengths and weakness. As for that damage claim, no.. I'd give it to knights. Sure, goons can deal 11k to a monster while a knight tops at, what, 7500? But I've never seen a goon stack 1100 on 15 monsters in the same turn, totally 16500 damage. You want power hits for the high hp and high defense monsters, take goon. If you want spread hits for low hp monsters and clusterfucks, take knight. Oh yeah. YAY, server up! (I am SO on topic lol) Well, overall, the Knight can deal more damage, but that's because he's the Melee Black Mage. Though, given your damage numbers I will only limit this discussion to ToTE, it's fairly rare to see 15 monsters clustered up for a Puree, and even more rare to see 15 monsters that, not only decided NOT to cast magic for a change, but ALSO deciding to attack a Knight who just Retorted. Almost impossible, in fact. Then you have to take into consideration where 1100 damage a hit would be useful. Titans? Not really, unless we've got a fuck-load of Golden Strikers instead of Middle Demons, which strikes me as fairly unlikely. That pretty much just leaves the ToTE hole, and for the few that realize how good a place it is, the Dark Imps. Considering that it would be next to impossible, only less impossible than getting 15 monsters in ToTE to attack a Retorting Knight, to get a 5+ person party going in Dark Imps, then we must consider the ToTE hole, which, I'll give you this, IS where Puree shines. It can knock out both ESs and FEs... provided the Knight can actually hit them. In most parties, this leads it coming down to one of two choices: Fast 3, or Boost 3. Fast 3 will allow the Knight to hit ALMOST every single time, if not entirely all the time; though, it's not really guaranteed to kill everything. Boost 3 is, of course, vice versa. So lets go back to Titans, which is generally where a large majority of the ToTE grinding ends up at, eventually. You have a Knight, and a Goon, and one person that can cast Black Mage. Why are we going to cast Boost 3 on the Knight who should probably be using Divide on Titans more than anything else? Here's where your argument, in my opinion, is flawed. While the Knight CAN output more total damage in a turn, the Goon has MORE MP to accomplish this. Sure, it's limited to one enemy per turn, but when it's almost guaranteed to kill a Middle Demon or a Golden Striker, which is not necessarily true for a Puree from the Knight with or without Boost 3, it ends out fairly useful and, for the most part, Dragoons almost never run out of MP. I doubt that you can argue with me here. A Knight at Titans is most valuable for their Divide; granted, Retort can do an excellent job, but we are talking about this as a contingency plan. A Knight that gets hit enough times where Retort would actually tear apart the enemies (16500 damage in one turn) is BY THE SAME TOKEN very likely to get torn up himself, with or without Barrier 3; a Dragoon, on the other hand, still has like 7 turns of invincibility, amirite? It basically comes down to the situation; the Dragoon is more likely to be favored for Boost 3 over the Knight, so it is more likely they achieve their maximum damage output than the Knight would. The Dragoon, situationally, has the upper hand; the Knight is just well-rounded enough to handle any situation, and handle it well, just not always 100% the best. In fact: Retort? Psychostorm usually comes out on top. Divide? Bloody Murder (though not having a better chance, there's overall more shots than Divide) or Rub. Puree? Ice 3 area, or again, Psychostorm. Unless a Knight is heavier with the Dex than I personally suggest, it would take a Fast and a Boost to make Puree very effective. Etc... Their ability to handle almost any situation thrown at them is also their weakness, like Red Mages. Because they don't specialize in any particular style of attacking, they are an asset to the party, but with enough Goons fuck it the Goons will still win.
|
|
Ralph
Explorer
One day you will realize, that life does have a purpose. Until then; take care, my friend.
Posts: 63
|
Post by Ralph on May 1, 2009 17:41:19 GMT -6
Not a problem! I'm just glad that one of the best - perhaps the best - games on BYOND is back up again! Enjoy the server! ~ Ralph.
|
|
|
Post by Joker The Royale on May 1, 2009 18:02:15 GMT -6
Technical difficulties with the server, being fixed a quick as possible.
|
|
|
Post by Taterz on May 1, 2009 23:27:16 GMT -6
in short fights, dragoons are capable of dealing pretty heavy damage. knights are more the AoE DD, without any really strong single hitters (however, retorting 32 monsters with a powered hit is AWESOME).
neither matter in long fights, where a ranger is capable of dealing 1-3k hits with 100% accuracy each round. single target boss fights ftwwww
|
|
|
Post by Sur Realis on May 1, 2009 23:37:38 GMT -6
in short fights, dragoons are capable of dealing pretty heavy damage. knights are more the AoE DD, without any really strong single hitters (however, retorting 32 monsters with a powered hit is AWESOME). neither matter in long fights, where a ranger is capable of dealing 1-3k hits with 100% accuracy each round. single target boss fights ftwwww Well, this goes along with a portion of my argument. Knights are excellent, but their versatility is fallible because there are other classes more suited for specific things.
|
|
|
Post by Divusmors on May 2, 2009 13:39:47 GMT -6
Actually, there's been plenty of times of times where PUREE is the epic skill, titans, hole, on the way to titans, mona, etc. As for you claims against retort.. eh, I'm not bothering with retort. I don't care for retort, nor to I really enjoy using it.
As for that part where you added fast3 into the mix, you can ask erb as well, man. Stack a fast3 and boost3 on my knight, I will have half that entire field clear of all FEs and ESs in two turns. Which is quicker than that bm just psing without there being 2 or 3 of them.
Even in medium size parties (4 to 6), I've seen plenty of good puree areas, even without the need of fast3, such as having 4 dragons close enough together. Especially with an ES as the target, if there's more for the wm to do, then you don't have to worry so much about fast3, as the ES dodging will keep that area alive for the knight to continually attack.
A knight is NOT useful only for retort. And unless the knight is the last one standing, or just insanely unlucky to be gang raped, retort blows, IMO. I am a firm believer that puree is single handedly the best move in the game, and I am in absolutely no way talking about retort, for future references.
Oh, and 1100 a hit is pretty useful, really. A lot better than nuking and pearling middle demons one at a damn time. xD That just takes way too damn long. Even for middle demons, who have 3 times the health. So what if it didn't kill them in one shot, in 3 turns, you can have more than just 3 killed. Even if the area itself is highly dependant on gold strikers who'll die in 2 turns, the MDs are weak enough that you could just stack ps for the kill, or split it off as 2 groups, or heck even have the goons go at them and not have to crush, dive or pray for a DF just to kill them. Saves on the mp a little, and could help to lessen how long it takes to harvest considering 9/10 times it's everyone waiting on the melees to regain mp.
|
|
|
Post by Sur Realis on May 2, 2009 14:07:12 GMT -6
Actually, there's been plenty of times of times where PUREE is the epic skill, titans, hole, on the way to titans, mona, etc. As for you claims against retort.. eh, I'm not bothering with retort. I don't care for retort, nor to I really enjoy using it. As for that part where you added fast3 into the mix, you can ask erb as well, man. Stack a fast3 and boost3 on my knight, I will have half that entire field clear of all FEs and ESs in two turns. Which is quicker than that bm just psing without there being 2 or 3 of them. Even in medium size parties (4 to 6), I've seen plenty of good puree areas, even without the need of fast3, such as having 4 dragons close enough together. Especially with an ES as the target, if there's more for the wm to do, then you don't have to worry so much about fast3, as the ES dodging will keep that area alive for the knight to continually attack. A knight is NOT useful only for retort. And unless the knight is the last one standing, or just insanely unlucky to be gang raped, retort blows, IMO. I am a firm believer that puree is single handedly the best move in the game, and I am in absolutely no way talking about retort, for future references. Oh, and 1100 a hit is pretty useful, really. A lot better than nuking and pearling middle demons one at a damn time. xD That just takes way too damn long. Even for middle demons, who have 3 times the health. So what if it didn't kill them in one shot, in 3 turns, you can have more than just 3 killed. Even if the area itself is highly dependant on gold strikers who'll die in 2 turns, the MDs are weak enough that you could just stack ps for the kill, or split it off as 2 groups, or heck even have the goons go at them and not have to crush, dive or pray for a DF just to kill them. Saves on the mp a little, and could help to lessen how long it takes to harvest considering 9/10 times it's everyone waiting on the melees to regain mp. In most of the parties I've joined, save perhaps 7-8 person parties which aren't exactly extremely common, it's either Boost 3 or Fast 3. And I'm fairly sure that most Goons with Boost 3 can use Jump and kill an MD without Fury, but if not, then it goes along with your thing that it would weaken them. Chances are it'll leave them, if not close enough to death that a Puree will kill it, then close enough that a Puree and a Psychostorm will. And, again, you are giving the best-case scenarios. Not always will you have clusters where Puree is practical. Fortunately, chances are in that situation the Knight has something else to do, anyway.
|
|
|
Post by Divusmors on May 2, 2009 14:25:45 GMT -6
No, not just best. Heck, I am on right now in a 5 man party, and puree is still pulling weight.
|
|
|
Post by Speedy mc Speedy, Infamous DG2 on May 5, 2009 6:47:42 GMT -6
Despite all this, still going through with the Knight. It will be quite useful in multiple situations, and I have like what, 7 character slots to make dfifferent builds?
P.S.Not a DumbassI love you Realis.
|
|