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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 3, 2008 18:56:33 GMT -6
When Rand or Mahn or some retired BH member started it, they started it without breaking rules. People don't act serious 24/7. In fact, they never act serious. This is why it is so bad at the moment - people don't take the rules seriously. Some people will try their damned hardest to offend everyone on the server then hide behind the statement that we are all just babies that take things insulting. I myself have used this argument, sure, but where I used it correctly by not TRYING to insult people first, these people want to get people worked up and then throw this line of thought out to improve their e-peen and show themselves off as geniuses.
Whereas Rand or Mahn or some retired BH member would start it with all glorious good wholehearted fun intended, people will do this shit with disregard of rules, and will insult people, by accident or purposely, and then just laugh at the people who get insulted.
This is what the internet has come to. A dog-eat-dog hellhole where the only way to get accepted is to follow the herd of insulting people that think better of themselves than to shit asshattery every moment of their online lives. People bitch about how I have no life when they are doing it on an online game, and it frustrates me their ignorance on the subject. THG, once a place not near as affected by staple cancers like 4chan, Encyclopedia Dramatica, GaiaOnline, Runescape, and any other place where prepubescent 12-year-olds clamor about how they are cooler than you.
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Post by Firemaster on Aug 4, 2008 8:48:28 GMT -6
When Rand or Mahn or some retired BH member started it, they started it without breaking rules. People don't act serious 24/7. In fact, they never act serious. This is why it is so bad at the moment - people don't take the rules seriously. Some people will try their damned hardest to offend everyone on the server then hide behind the statement that we are all just babies that take things insulting. I myself have used this argument, sure, but where I used it correctly by not TRYING to insult people first, these people want to get people worked up and then throw this line of thought out to improve their e-peen and show themselves off as geniuses. Whereas Rand or Mahn or some retired BH member would start it with all glorious good wholehearted fun intended, people will do this shit with disregard of rules, and will insult people, by accident or purposely, and then just laugh at the people who get insulted. This is what the internet has come to. A dog-eat-dog hellhole where the only way to get accepted is to follow the herd of insulting people that think better of themselves than to shit asshattery every moment of their online lives. People bitch about how I have no life when they are doing it on an online game, and it frustrates me their ignorance on the subject. THG, once a place not near as affected by staple cancers like 4chan, Encyclopedia Dramatica, GaiaOnline, Runescape, and any other place where prepubescent 12-year-olds clamor about how they are cooler than you. All of that is true. Very true, but the fact that people get pissed off really easy thats when they get insanely serious.. Making up stupid shit every single minute is not really good, but once in a while, maybe 3, 0r 4 times a day, that can probably get people in a good mood(hopefully).
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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 4, 2008 12:02:11 GMT -6
When Rand or Mahn or some retired BH member started it, they started it without breaking rules. People don't act serious 24/7. In fact, they never act serious. This is why it is so bad at the moment - people don't take the rules seriously. Some people will try their damned hardest to offend everyone on the server then hide behind the statement that we are all just babies that take things insulting. I myself have used this argument, sure, but where I used it correctly by not TRYING to insult people first, these people want to get people worked up and then throw this line of thought out to improve their e-peen and show themselves off as geniuses. Whereas Rand or Mahn or some retired BH member would start it with all glorious good wholehearted fun intended, people will do this shit with disregard of rules, and will insult people, by accident or purposely, and then just laugh at the people who get insulted. This is what the internet has come to. A dog-eat-dog hellhole where the only way to get accepted is to follow the herd of insulting people that think better of themselves than to shit asshattery every moment of their online lives. People bitch about how I have no life when they are doing it on an online game, and it frustrates me their ignorance on the subject. THG, once a place not near as affected by staple cancers like 4chan, Encyclopedia Dramatica, GaiaOnline, Runescape, and any other place where prepubescent 12-year-olds clamor about how they are cooler than you. All of that is true. Very true, but the fact that people get pissed off really easy thats when they get insanely serious.. Making up stupid shit every single minute is not really good, but once in a while, maybe 3, 0r 4 times a day, that can probably get people in a good mood(hopefully). I'm sorry, but last I checked a respectable community does not accept people because they can make shit up three or four times a day; what these people are doing is purposely trying to get shit going then hiding behind some sort of silly wall they can erect making them seem all godly, which boosts their prepubescent e-peen. I hate to have to throw names out here, but I need an example. Hikari-chan was really really hurt one day and hurt even more the next day just because people think they can get away with starting the fire then saying it's our fault for not putting it out. People are NOT getting pissed off really easy. You may not have noticed, but for the large majority of the time people don't get angry at a random passerby that breaks a rule. Did you know there was once a time when Hikari-chan would almost plead me to stop arguing with people when I got pissed off? Now even she, the person I can only describe as pure good (and gummies), is reaching the end of her patience at times. I apologize for having to use your name, Hikari-chan. You are undermining the significance of this. Ignorant people are joining the game with no regards of rules at all - I'm sure most people go by without even READING the rules - let alone the big block of text at the beginning of each new character to make game-play more friendly. This sentence alone means nothing, nothing. But, like I said, you undermine it's significance. Why would people - or rather, why wouldn't people try to learn what is acceptable in a new community as they join it? Because standards have fallen to the point that there are almost no rules. There are no rules in the home, there are no rules in society, there are no morals, there is nothing left. The United States of America is on the brink of anarchy, I'd say, because children are not being taught. -I- had NO parental guidance at all, and look at me. I'm an angry teenager that lashes out at anyone stupid or that doesn't get it. People baited me for their own uses and I was used, and therefore I've only learned how to use people for my own needs. And I could say I had the easy side of it. When I say I don't remember what love feels like it, I mean it. I've crawled up inside my own damned shell away from the world because I was tired of being hurt. Do you know what happens when a Lion takes over a pack? It's not like Lion King, y'know. Shit doesn't go to hell. When a new Lion leads a pack, the Lion leading it kills off all the cubs. Right there. No mercy. Then all the Lionesses go in heat, and the only cubs left in the pack are his own cubs. You know how similar this actually is to how things work in life now? Sure, you don't die when there is a new leader. But no matter what, no matter how much hard work you throw it, when there is change, something is favored, and if you aren't what is favored, then you are fucked in the ass no questions asked. You aren't going to move up on the ladder without making sure people like you. You could do the best at whatever your damned job is, if people hate you then they are likely to pick someone more tolerable but less hard-working over you. For a while, I really wanted to try and stop THG's fall towards anarchy. It just went from manageable to bad to worse. More and more often did people come into just to assert their greatness and stroke their ego like they were their e-peen. I wanted to defend a game I loved in a point of why I loved it. Justice was rightly served - most of the time. Not like the fucking world, THG was at least somewhat fair. Even when Irony Engine reared it's ugly head, you could just brush anything off because it wasn't real. It was a sanctuary away from the confusions of the world. And motherfucking prepubescent /b/tards took it away from me. Of course I fucking quit, and of course I say it's fucking dying. Face it, it is. Just like America, it's going to take one hell of a divine intervention to save THG. I don't make shit up to put everyone in good moods. I don't see anyone else doing it, either. I believe Bolt is stupid enough to blow his hand off. I believe Hikari-chan when she talks about manga and anime which I have never heard of. I believe the 'legends' about U. Dye having an unquenchable thirst for blood. There is no reason why I shouldn't believe these things. But I will not believe you are better than me no matter what. I will fight to the grave that I am at least equal to you no matter what.
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Post by Firemaster on Aug 4, 2008 13:03:17 GMT -6
What you said can be one hell of a life changer for the noobs that join and dont know about the rules. America IS dying, THG IS dying. No one gives a shit for the rules because they know the have no self control to do anything. And when I say anything I mean ANYTHING. People these days know that they don't follow the rules because they are too stupid/dont know what the fuck the rules are because they are too lazy to find out. People that mis-behave had parents that mis-behaved, and they had their parent mis-behave and so on.
They mis-behave because their mis-behaving parentslet them do whatever the hell they want to. They let them curse, throw shit. Basicly noo fucking rules. Yeah its pretty much exactly what you said. They dont follow the rules because they dont have rules to in the fucking house. And if you ask me that kinda pathetic. And sad. People like that, will eventually be living off the street. 'Home' is the training ground for kids. If you're lazy/dont follow rules, you wasted your childhood. Discipline is the key to achievement. It shows you right from wrong, good from bad, smart to stupid. The noobs that join, or old noobs that were here for a while, that mis-behave obviously don't have parents that know what disciplinary actions are. THEY,just like their parents, will never Achieve their goal because they dont know whats good, bad, smart, stupid, right, and wrong.
They do the wrong thing, and think its right. They do something bad, and assume its good. Do something INSANELY stupid, and think they're the smartest person 'in teh wurdl!!oneone zomg omw =D'. Then they only find out they were wrong when life stabs them in the back. In other words, they find out they were retarded when they're dreams are crushed. then they have to waste the rest of they're lives trying to make it right again.But by then it will be too late.
Thats what THG is in now. Un-Disciplined, bad-behaved children come and fuck up our game. And after all the BrotherHood has been through. They used up a Hellofalot of time to make this game, which is great, then finding out that it was a waste of time because noobs come in and destroy the game because they dont follow they dont read/follow rules. And apparently I dont feel bad for them. Its their fault, I dont see why we have to suffer for their errors. They're gunna waste their life fixing it, and TRYING to make it better for their kids.
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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 4, 2008 13:12:02 GMT -6
What you said can be one hell of a life changer for the noobs that join and dont know about the rules. America IS dying, THG IS dying. No one gives a shit for the rules because they know the have no self control to do anything. And when I say anything I mean ANYTHING. People these days know that they don't follow the rules because they are too stupid/dont know what the fuck the rules are because they are too lazy to find out. People that mis-behave had parents that mis-behaved, and they had their parent mis-behave and so on. They mis-behave because their mis-behaving parentslet them do whatever the hell they want to. They let them curse, throw shit. Basicly noo fucking rules. Yeah its pretty much exactly what you said. They dont follow the rules because they dont have rules to in the fucking house. And if you ask me that kinda pathetic. And sad. People like that, will eventually be living off the street. 'Home' is the training ground for kids. If you're lazy/dont follow rules, you wasted your childhood. Discipline is the key to achievement. It shows you right from wrong, good from bad, smart to stupid. The noobs that join, or old noobs that were here for a while, that mis-behave obviously don't have parents that know what disciplinary actions are. THEY,just like their parents, will never Achieve their goal because they dont know whats good, bad, smart, stupid, right, and wrong. They do the wrong thing, and think its right. They do something bad, and assume its good. Do something INSANELY stupid, and think they're the smartest person 'in teh wurdl!!oneone zomg omw =D'. Then they only find out they were wrong when life stabs them in the back. In other words, they find out they were retarded when they're dreams are crushed. then they have to waste the rest of they're lives trying to make it right again.But by then it will be too late. Thats what THG is in now. Un-Disciplined, bad-behaved children come and fuck up our game. And after all the BrotherHood has been through. They used up a Hellofalot of time to make this game, which is great, then finding out that it was a waste of time because noobs come in and destroy the game because they dont follow they dont read/follow rules. And apparently I dont feel bad for them. Its their fault, I dont see why we have to suffer for their errors. They're gunna waste their life fixing it, and TRYING to make it better for their kids. I must admit, Firemaster. You are one confusing ass communicator. You are the only person I know that will go from contradicting my every thought to sharing your two cents that basically say, "I agree," in a single post flat.
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Post by Firemaster on Aug 4, 2008 13:42:49 GMT -6
What you said can be one hell of a life changer for the noobs that join and dont know about the rules. America IS dying, THG IS dying. No one gives a shit for the rules because they know the have no self control to do anything. And when I say anything I mean ANYTHING. People these days know that they don't follow the rules because they are too stupid/dont know what the fuck the rules are because they are too lazy to find out. People that mis-behave had parents that mis-behaved, and they had their parent mis-behave and so on. They mis-behave because their mis-behaving parentslet them do whatever the hell they want to. They let them curse, throw shit. Basicly noo fucking rules. Yeah its pretty much exactly what you said. They dont follow the rules because they dont have rules to in the fucking house. And if you ask me that kinda pathetic. And sad. People like that, will eventually be living off the street. 'Home' is the training ground for kids. If you're lazy/dont follow rules, you wasted your childhood. Discipline is the key to achievement. It shows you right from wrong, good from bad, smart to stupid. The noobs that join, or old noobs that were here for a while, that mis-behave obviously don't have parents that know what disciplinary actions are. THEY,just like their parents, will never Achieve their goal because they dont know whats good, bad, smart, stupid, right, and wrong. They do the wrong thing, and think its right. They do something bad, and assume its good. Do something INSANELY stupid, and think they're the smartest person 'in teh wurdl!!oneone zomg omw =D'. Then they only find out they were wrong when life stabs them in the back. In other words, they find out they were retarded when they're dreams are crushed. then they have to waste the rest of they're lives trying to make it right again.But by then it will be too late. Thats what THG is in now. Un-Disciplined, bad-behaved children come and fuck up our game. And after all the BrotherHood has been through. They used up a Hellofalot of time to make this game, which is great, then finding out that it was a waste of time because noobs come in and destroy the game because they dont follow they dont read/follow rules. And apparently I dont feel bad for them. Its their fault, I dont see why we have to suffer for their errors. They're gunna waste their life fixing it, and TRYING to make it better for their kids. I must admit, Firemaster. You are one confusing ass communicator. You are the only person I know that will go from contradicting my every thought to sharing your two cents that basically say, "I agree," in a single post flat. Yeah I love it when people call me a bad communicator. I also love it when they call me a prick >_>.. Thanks for that. Just stating that people with no discipline will end up a hobo and shouldnt deserve a second chance. So why should should half the people that got banned be given a second chance? Half of them are just gunna do it again then the BH will learn their lesson and wont give them another chance. They already gave Kyoshi a THIRD chance.
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Post by Kija on Aug 4, 2008 23:15:30 GMT -6
Kyoshi was given the benefit of the doubt about his first time being someone else on the computer. Beyond that, Kyoshi was also only unbanned from the forums and allowed the chance to prove that he had changed.
People deserve the chance to prove themselves. People can change. If they do not change, they disappear again, but there is not wrong with giving people a chance.
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Post by Sandlight on Aug 4, 2008 23:53:24 GMT -6
First of all, I want you guys to really think about the whole FFTHG dying situation. Ask yourself this... "Is it really dying?" "Why is the game still fun if its dying" "When I logged on today, did I see spammers and rule breakers?" "Am I sickened when I logged on?" "Why am I still playing the game if it's dying?" "Why don't I quit the game if I feel the game doesn't have any more hope?" "Should I lose all hope in my own life just because I see FFTHG as a representation of life where rule breakers are dominant?"
I think you guys might be a little bit over exaggerating and overreacting to the whole situation, especially you Sur Realis. I know that the world is a terrible place and blah blah anarchy, but we all have to remember that FFTHG is just a game. There's a big difference between games and life and that is how people perceives each. In reality, everybody follows rules and laws because usually out of fear of what the government would do to people breaking the law: sending them to jail, execution, etc. It is much more different in a game because most of the time people would spam and break rules without any fear of what the admins would do. They do not fear authorities because they know the impact of the consequences would be little. If they do get caught and get banned, they probably would not care. It's not like they would feel guilty and repent as if they had murdered someone. They would just laugh and move on into spamming in other games. That is the main reason why there is constant spamming and rule breaking in FFTHG. It is because FFTHG is just a game. They know the game admins would not go over their houses and beat them up or call the cops on them.
I wouldn't say FFTHG is dying. It may have lost its fun and thrill but I still find the game enjoyable. A decent amount of people still come on everyday to play and it's not like they're being tortured with constant spamming or rule breaking. Usually these happens only maybe 2 or 3 times a week and that is not really a lot. I can't really say because I do not get on that often.
I just think everybody is taking the matter too seriously. All you guys are doing is just emphasizing one incident to make it sound like its many. Few bad situations happen and everybody is acting as FFTHG is plagued. Nothing is every perfect, people, remember that. Go to any BYOND game and ask them if they have been spammed or rules have been broken and I'm pretty sure they would say they've been victims as well.
After reading the posts, I'm sad to say that I'm disappointed. The status of the game is only what the community makes of it. If the community feels that the game is going to burn down, then surely that will happen to it. Just try being a little more optimistic. All of these cynical attitudes will just spread even more if you guys don't have some faith.
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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 5, 2008 0:39:22 GMT -6
I think you might be a little bit over exaggerating and overreacting to the whole situation, Sur Realis. I know that the world is a terrible place and blah blah anarchy, but we all have to remember that FFTHG is just a game. There's a big difference between games and life and that is how people perceives each. In reality, everybody follows rules and laws because usually out of fear of what the government would do to people breaking the law: sending them to jail, execution, etc. It is much more different in a game because most of the time people would spam and break rules without any fear of what the admins would do. They do not fear authorities because they know the impact of the consequences would be little. If they do get caught and get banned, they probably would not care. It's not like they would feel guilty and repent as if they had murdered someone. They would just laugh and move on into spamming in other games. That is the main reason why there is constant spamming and rule breaking in FFTHG. It is because FFTHG is just a game. They know the game admins would not go over their houses and beat them up or call the cops on them. I wouldn't say FFTHG is dying. It may have lost its fun and thrill but I still find the game enjoyable. A decent amount of people still come on everyday to play and it's not like they're being tortured with constant spamming or rule breaking. Usually these happens only maybe 2 or 3 times a week and that is not really a lot. I can't really say because I do not get on that often. I just think everybody is taking the matter too seriously. Few bad situations happen and everybody is acting as FFTHG is plagued. Nothing is every perfect, people, remember that. Go to any BYOND game and ask them if they have been spammed or rules have been broken and I'm pretty sure they would say they've been victims as well. Life is very easily compared to a game, Sandlight. Yes. FFTHG is a game. Yes, there is a difference between real life and online life. However, somewhere along the lines something will leak. Whether it is someone poking the bubble separating online from offline, or if someone will trust another person online with knowledge of happenings in reality. It's just almost impossible not to have something offline leak online or something online leak offline. That said, why should I trust someone online with power when they behave worse than what a five-year-old is perceived to behave? If someone feels the need to break rules online, what's to stop them from breaking rules offline? How can I trust someone that is an asshole online with my life offline? You mention people don't break rules offline for fear of the reparations, and yet still daily on the local channels someone has done some sort of wrong, breaking some sort of law, either accidentally or purposely. There are children that got so pissed off at THG that they have sworn to make us suffer. Hydrocrush has been banned, what, twelve times now? Twelve times he has made the same mistake - what is to make me believe he is better offline than he shows himself online?
The way you conduct yourself online builds impressions, just like the way you conduct yourself in real life builds impressions. If you can't take the time to spell out a three-letter word, then I have every right to believe you are lazy, unintelligent, and not worth my time. This does reflect into real life. If someone can't type professionally, why should I believe they can work professionally?
Yes, FF:THG is a game. But real people play it, with real emotions, real thoughts. The human brain works irrationally under certain pressures, such as anger, love, stress, almost any emotion at all. If someone gets worked up because they are told, "No." online, they probably get worked up when they are told, "No." offline too. People will skip the rules of a game just to get to the game - why should I believe they will read the rules of real life? That's cause they don't. How many people slide by every day by saying they were ignorant to the laws? Too many. Too many, and what's sad is that ninety percent of the time we are TOLD of the rules and laws, and still people will break them. Why is that? Common sense will not tell them what is and isn't a rule, if they even have it - they just want to be SPOONFED, some people going so far to squibbling over details. People get out on technicalities all the time - and if these people would put half the effort finding that technicality into something else, humanity could be so much more.
No matter what, the government is only as good as the people behind it. When the people become corrupted, the government becomes corrupted. When the people becomes corrupted, everything linked to the people becomes corrupted. One person getting out of breaking a rule can be the beginning of anarchy. We as humans have become so spoiled, so stupidly spoiled.
People that are already in jail. They went to jail. When they come out, when their punishment is served, in a perfect world, they would be all happy-dandy-sane and not wanting to do what they did before because they learned from their mistake.
Let me point out Hydrocrush above again. He was permabanned. He is still being permabanned. He has been permabanned around twelve times. One isn't enough, he didn't learn from his mistake the first time he was permabanned. He is angry because he was permabanned, angry that he was denied of something. Know what? People fresh out of jail are angry, angry that they were denied of something. Most people that come out of jail go right back in eventually. It's an endless fucking cycle. People that were unjustly put behind the bars, even, are pissed off, and they become corrupted. Then they start doing shit.
Have you seen The Dark Knight, Sandlight? I'd like to say that the way Gotham City was portrayed near the end there, that is where America is headed. Except unlike in the movie, they will throw the switch and blow the other ship up. Why shouldn't they? Survival of the fittest. I don't believe I am blowing this out of proportion. Things can only go in one direction at a time. You can't make a complete 180, you have to turn first. While you are turning you are vulnerable.
I'm a prime example, even. Like I said, I lash out at people. I've been wronged, and I just can't help but stab ignorant people in the throat with a metaphorical poison-knife. I try my damned hardest not to, and I'm getting better at not doing it. I do believe I'm a better person now than I was a year ago, two years ago. But the things I've done in the past five years I can not reverse - the people I made miserable in the past five years in my blind rage inside my shell, I can not make happy. If it took me five years to make myself happy with where I am in life, and I am the only person I can make happy where I am in life. I can not make you happy with yourself - I can try, but it is up to you to do it. And the people I did stab with that poison knife? Retaliation. Most people come back up, take the knife, and stab the next person down the line, and things topple like dominoes. It doesn't matter if it's just a game, because somewhere along the lines it isn't just a game anymore. And when it isn't just a game anymore, it's too late to turn around, because you hit rock bottom before you can.
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I don't know why I'm even bothering anymore. The more and more I type, the more I see it must be a lost cause.
This, what I've been talking about. This is the one thing I want to be proven wrong on.
Proof that humanity is not at an all-time low, I do not expect to get.
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Post by mrfroggy on Aug 5, 2008 1:50:37 GMT -6
Okay, so I post never. Screw it. My username is my key, and this is Gabriel Penitence and shtuff.
As to what people are saying about THG dying, it isn't dying, we are putting the thing on an unneeded dialysis, and sucking it dry. The game used to be simplistically fun, and it was about people being in a party, talking, enjoying, playing, and it isn't as fun now.
Today, on this dying game, I had a 7 hour party in DM with a level 30 red mage. I didn't need to be there. I leveled once there, and was a level 29. It is odd because I do not feel that I hated my time there. The reason why it was great is because of a few players in that party. Kayley and Sonia are cool people, and I had not one problem with them. Another player named Linko was a pretty fun dude too. I am constantly frustrated by players, and that was 7 hours where I was hardly annoyed but a few times.
This is what the game is missing, fun people! I know you guys think the game is dying, and maybe it is, but if it is going to be saved, it needs to be saved by fun people who make the game worth playing. I, for one, am a fan of game communities before the games themselves, and an otherwise boring game can be fun. We don't need to leave the game to make things better, we need to stick around and make it worthwhile to the people who deal with the idiots!
Everyone, c'mon, can we deal with all this now? Can we all be better than the problems in this game? When somebody starts spewing things that are annoying, we can all start ignoring, start helping each other out, and make the game a better place. I was there on the evening that Hikari was being treated poorly, and I could tell she was getting sad. Instead of leaving the community, or being sickened beyond all belief, I tried to comfort Hikari, and assure her that she shouldn't even have to answer to these mean people.
I could hate THG too right now, but instead, I like it for some of the fun players that still play. Wisface is on again. Hikari is on every evening, whether to play, or just lighten our evenings with her positive energy. Shog is back, and despite his emo ways, he can be a nice person. I have found a few fun players that I have never had the honor of partying with before in Heleen, Kayley, Sonia, Linko, and I am sure that people who party with them will find the game fun too.
If you are sad by what is happening by a few of these bad seeds, then lets make sure that these few players don't discourage the players that make the game fun.
America is starting to suck? The world is starting to suck? I don't know where you guys are, but the world hasn't gotten any worse lately just because of some gas prices or politicians, it is because people are being jerks and quit caring about others. We should learn to enjoy the fact that we live in an age where a person from the other side of the world can join into a community of people, burn some time on a game, keep each other company, and not be alone while playing a game.
I would like to see changes as well, I would admit. I would like to see players who are being disruptive to the community have to face consequences of doing so. I want these players to understand that this game is supposed to be fun. I know that the BH doesn't get on the game all the time, they have lives. Don't we all? I wish there were people online, however, when stupid stuff like this happens.
That being said, this could be a time where the community leaves, or this could be where the community decides to take ITS game back. The community defines the game, so redefine it. Let's not pander to idiocy, or spam the chat with idiotic statements. Let's counter this idiocy with grace and intellect. I am Mr. Negativity, but I am saying that we can do this! Let's make this the thing that made it best, an escape from the world everyone says is crummy! Let's make this a game that makes our miserable days worth living.
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Post by Sandlight on Aug 5, 2008 5:31:58 GMT -6
You're using ONE example as your support your overall claim again, Sur Realis. I do know about Hydrocrush and seen his idiotic ways before and how he has been banned in a lot of BYOND games such as DMO. However, he is just one ONE individual and using him to say that humanity or people sucks blah blah (insert other pessimistic views) won't help you get far in your argument. It is like saying everybody is a cold blooded murder just because Hitler reign supreme in Germany during the time of WWII. I didn't see people after the WWII going in a killing frenzy just because of just one individual. In fact, the history book say that unity was brought in order to take him down. Another thing, you say that life could be very easily compared to a game. That's probably the dumbest thing you have ever said. So you're saying that someone who breaks the rules online in a game will do so in real life. You think that that individual will go down the road of crime just became he's an online offender? Spamming today and tomorrow, off to the local gang, right? I'm not trying to defend them, but spammers and online rule breakers are just normal people in real life just like me and you. I'll think that they're idiots for that and I'm not going to look down on them any lower. You say that real people FFTHG and real emotions are in play. I agree that you can be happy, get annoyed, or became sad to a certain extent. However, we must also take in account of what we are talking about here. Hmmmm, FFTHG.... an online game on the INTERNET. Oh, just let me cry about how I was called noob and mope all day just because someone I don't know and probably will never see again called me that. That happens to me from time to time on especially Warcraft and I just tend to forget it. You say that people get hurt online because of what people say. I say maybe that person who got hurt should just ignore him and not let that insult get to him. There is not correlation really between offline and online. Most of the people do not care about if someone tells them "no" online. Why should they? However more would care offline because you know.. its their own freakin life. If I could choose between getting my opinion out in my business meeting or getting my opinion out on an online game, I would definitely pick my business meeting. People just tend to act differently when they online. I'm a perfect example of that. I don't speak that much on FFTHG, but when I'm around my friends in real life, you won't even be able to compare my two sides. Games and Life are two totally different things. Yes I have watched the Dark Knight and it was an awesome movie. It is very dark and reveals truths about the world. Life's not a movie however. It is not to be taken seriously. It's not to be applied in life. And I do not think society will be like that. I'm not saying trust a stranger or some guy you just met. But apparently, you don't think that you can even trust your family and friends. And how old are you exactly Sur Realis? You seem to know a lot of life's misfortunes. However, there are always still things that are a lot worse that you have never faced before. I don't know how you got your strong hatred towards society and I can't make you think any differently. You may be all "boo for humanity and society" and that is fine; it's your life. But please please keep you personal feelings out when talking about the dying of FFTHG. I read your posts and you taken the topic out of course farther and more times than everybody else. You're taking the post, and working it so that you can include all your beliefs and thoughts that would depress people. Your pessimistic views aren't doing a damn thing for the community.
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Post by kyoshi123 on Aug 5, 2008 8:34:56 GMT -6
Thank you Kija. People can change, but people like hydrocrush cant/ I dont Know if you unban him before many times but i have seen (when i was not banned)he was banning avioding. When I first banned aviod i finally release that if i kept Avioding my ban will be longer it like if u go prision you can have a long sentence but if u behave in there its a shorter time there. I have Learnt the Mistakes i have done during the time i have been banned but they is some people that will change and some people that cant. The People who cant change are people that are simple minded.
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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 5, 2008 9:41:50 GMT -6
You're using ONE example as your support your overall claim again, Sur Realis. I do know about Hydrocrush and seen his idiotic ways before and how he has been banned in a lot of BYOND games such as DMO. However, he is just one ONE individual and using him to say that humanity or people sucks blah blah (insert other pessimistic views) won't help you get far in your argument. It is like saying everybody is a cold blooded murder just because Hitler reign supreme in Germany during the time of WWII. I didn't see people after the WWII going in a killing frenzy just because of just one individual. In fact, the history book say that unity was brought in order to take him down. Another thing, you say that life could be very easily compared to a game. That's probably the dumbest thing you have ever said. So you're saying that someone who breaks the rules online in a game will do so in real life. You think that that individual will go down the road of crime just became he's an online offender? Spamming today and tomorrow, off to the local gang, right? I'm not trying to defend them, but spammers and online rule breakers are just normal people in real life just like me and you. I'll think that they're idiots for that and I'm not going to look down on them any lower. You say that real people FFTHG and real emotions are in play. I agree that you can be happy, get annoyed, or became sad to a certain extent. However, we must also take in account of what we are talking about here. Hmmmm, FFTHG.... an online game on the INTERNET. Oh, just let me cry about how I was called noob and mope all day just because someone I don't know and probably will never see again called me that. That happens to me from time to time on especially Warcraft and I just tend to forget it. You say that people get hurt online because of what people say. I say maybe that person who got hurt should just ignore him and not let that insult get to him. There is not correlation really between offline and online. Most of the people do not care about if someone tells them "no" online. Why should they? However more would care offline because you know.. its their own freakin life. If I could choose between getting my opinion out in my business meeting or getting my opinion out on an online game, I would definitely pick my business meeting. People just tend to act differently when they online. I'm a perfect example of that. I don't speak that much on FFTHG, but when I'm around my friends in real life, you won't even be able to compare my two sides. Games and Life are two totally different things. Yes I have watched the Dark Knight and it was an awesome movie. It is very dark and reveals truths about the world. Life's not a movie however. It is not to be taken seriously. It's not to be applied in life. And I do not think society will be like that. I'm not saying trust a stranger or some guy you just met. But apparently, you don't think that you can even trust your family and friends. And how old are you exactly Sur Realis? You seem to know a lot of life's misfortunes. However, there are always still things that are a lot worse that you have never faced before. I don't know how you got your strong hatred towards society and I can't make you think any differently. You may be all "boo for humanity and society" and that is fine; it's your life. But please please keep you personal feelings out when talking about the dying of FFTHG. I read your posts and you taken the topic out of course farther and more times than everybody else. You're taking the post, and working it so that you can include all your beliefs and thoughts that would depress people. Your pessimistic views aren't doing a damn thing for the community. DMX Fire_Phoenix Hadesz Kokuji Lantis Lavi Marcus Ted45 Nine other people I'm not sifting for names. Most of these people, within the past three or four months, have been banned. Each of them have been banned, more or less, for having no regard to the rules. They were warned plenty of times, and they had plenty of time to learn what not to do, but each of them chose to continue what they were doing usually in a fit of anger. What I am trying to convey is that if these people can not learn what or what not to do in an online game, why should I trust them in the real world? I never said that people that break every rules online are the biggest trouble-makers in the real world - I just wouldn't trust them with it either way. It could be compared to how I wouldn't trust someone making threats to me or my family with my life. They may not have carried out there threats, but the fact they are making them means they could. One. I never said I wouldn't trust my friends or family. In fact, I implied somewhere up there that I have every reason to trust them. Two. You counter-state that saying because Hitler existed everyone are cold-blooded murderers. This is a silly point because Hitler had very little to do with what is tagged on him. Three. Life could be compared to a game. I'd go so far to say it is a game. Follow the rules you will be left alone as you make your way along it. You make your choices and when you have you may regret them but they are done and you just have to continue on and make do with what you have. Four. People do get hurt from what they read online. It happens. Whether or not they should take what they read seriously is besides the point, they get hurt, and when people close to me get hurt I lash out at the attackers. Five. You state the Dark Knight reveals dark truths about the world, but contradict this with how it isn't to be taken seriously. Sure, life isn't a movie. That doesn't mean that just because I live in the same city as you I won't pull a switch to blow you up so I'll live. In fact, unless I actually know you, and the situation were somewhat different, I would throw the switch before you could even grab it. If it were between me and a bunch of people in jail that are more than likely going to get out only to go back in, they can die, they fucked up too much. Six. You state there is no correlation between on- and offline. I could point out how this could be translated to a self-centered statement, but I won't. Correlation, however, there is. You compare getting an opinion from people you know professionally and people you know less than casually. Great comparison there, it is totally on the same level. If there were no correlation between online and offline then online wouldn't exist because it would be a separate universe. This is actually contradicting to what you state earlier where you agree to an extent that emotions do occur on an online game. To what you edited in an earlier post. "Is it really dying?" Yes. "Why is the game still fun if its dying?" It isn't. "When I logged on today, did I see spammers and rule breakers?" I didn't log on today, but if I did I more than likely would have. "Am I sickened when I log on?" Yes I am. "Why am I still playing the game if it's dying?" I am not playing the game. "Why don't I quit the game if I feel the game doesn't have any more hope?" I did quit the game. "Should I lose all hope in my own life just because I see FFTHG as a representation of life where rule breakers are dominant?"No, because my life is not related to theirs; I'm content with my life, the rest of the world can burn. There is not a damn thing society can do to change how I take each day. Every day. If I can smile just once in a day, laugh just once in a day, just be happy, even if for a moment, once in a day, that day was a success. In fact, rule breakers are not dominant. But any number of rule breakers are bad, as it shows a lack of respect to the creation of the game, the owners of the game, the players of the game, the rules of the game. If people get depressed for reading what I type, then so be it. I'm not going to hold my opinion back. I believe THG is dying. It's already dead to me. I turned sixteen July 25th. I weigh close to 270 pounds. I've seen plenty of deaths, deserving and undeserving, I've seen the shit hit the fan, and I know when it's going to hit the fan in my life. I am being serious every time I say I don't remember what it's like to love, and the only person I have ever met that was remotely capable of pulling me out of my little hermit shell I will more than likely never talk to again. I hate society because it gives me every reason to hate it and no reasons to love it. I have never been in severe physical pain, never near-death. I had a seizure when I was 2 years old. I have utterly no relationship with my father after being away from him for 99% of the life I still have memories of. I've had it easy. But I believe I can say that I'm not a spoiled fuck.
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Post by Sandlight on Aug 5, 2008 10:08:05 GMT -6
FFTHG is still a game that I play even after a 2 year break. It does get boring almost all the time, but that's tolerable with the community that it has. I have met people who are nice and friendly and I enjoy the conversations the server usually participate in. There are rule breakers and spammers in the game. They do cause problems and conflicts. People on the server might hate them, might even quit because of them. That is unfortunate. I still believe FFTHG is a game that is still enjoyable. If people decide to lose hope in the game and condemn it, so be it. People have their own opinions and beliefs and make choices for themselves. As for me, I will only see FFTHG as dying when the BH decides to pull the plug.
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Post by FenrirXIII on Aug 5, 2008 12:34:53 GMT -6
THG reminds me very much of my first RPG I ever played, Xenogears. In the sense that it is nostalgic. And the community has remained somewhat intact. Somewhat. People come and go like always but they can also come back after a long, looong break, because they had good memories and experiences from long ago.
I have played through Xenogears 10 times, and I enjoy each play through just like I enjoy coming back to THG. I know more story and history to THG than is currently accessable in the game at its current version, which is why it may seem boring now. The moment v8 is released though you can expect to see the server reaching its lag limits with old-bies and new-bies alike. THG has itsups and downs, its certainly not dieing. I play FFXI and ignorant people start 'FFXI IS DIEING?' threads every month. Well guess what. People still play Runescape. People still play EQ. You know how freaking old those games are? Some people here were probably in elementary school when those games came out. They most certainly are not dead, just low on numbers.
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Post by Firemaster on Aug 5, 2008 13:43:10 GMT -6
THG is a very enjoyable game, damn straight. I've talked to almost every single player, and know almost every single player that plays, or played. Not all but a hell of alot. And almost everyone that played was nice and a good person. I for one dont neccessarily think THG is dying but its number of players are lower than there used to be. Its a good game no doubt. And the number of players has risen in the past few weeks too.
People ruin the game. People that powerlevel is ok, but then having people fight Val at level 20+ and getting others in the battle at level 5, 6, 9, are just not right. Its cool that they wuold give up their time for all of the leveling but then if you get the lower levelers fighting Val at level 5 and winning, they learn nothing from it. Games are meant to be learned about. They are supposed to learn about the storyline. Fight bosses at 5 levels early arent not suggested, but it would be better to fight with a reasonable level. They ruin the game like that, then when they get to ToTE at level 35-39 they say they have more experience in the game than anyone else, when they barely learned anything at all.
Someone who takes him time reading everything has more experience in the game than someone in ToTE already. More experience than people like Lavi. He has not patience whatsoever. And no patience makes the game a little less enjoyable.
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Post by mrfroggy on Aug 5, 2008 14:37:22 GMT -6
I just think it is silly to say the game is dying when there are no plans to take the game down, and the only problem the game has are a few inconsiderate jerks.
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Post by Ambush Magnet on Aug 5, 2008 14:54:34 GMT -6
Every community, be it virtual or otherwise, has complete morons in it.
It's just easier to notice here because we're smaller than most communities.
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Post by lordphoenix on Aug 5, 2008 21:06:36 GMT -6
Firemaster: 1 Phoenix:0 Seriously, acting serious all the time is a stupid thing to do. Thats the kind of thing that drives people away 90% of the time. Maybe people bein too childish is the other 10%. Gotta have some fun. Why do you think I do so much stupid shit? I'm can't be serious all the f'in time. P.S. I just NOW got what U. Dye is ment to mean....I feel soo god dman stupid XD I love how you people read my post that say "stupid nonsensical shit being the conversational norm is a problem" and try to say that I'm advocating being totally serious all the time. You just prove everything I wrote about your incapability to grasp an intelligent discussion.
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Post by mrfroggy on Aug 5, 2008 21:20:47 GMT -6
LP is the king of nonsense, or am I? Maybe I am the king of randomness. In any case, I never take LP too seriously.
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Post by lordphoenix on Aug 5, 2008 21:24:52 GMT -6
LP is the king of nonsense, or am I? Maybe I am the king of randomness. In any case, I never take LP too seriously. You'd think between blending every overrated anime under the sun into various character names, cheesy RP like the god of darlow with an overly enormous ego who likes to throw wemote smiting fits and a pokemon who cannot speak a word outside of brackets except his name, and other silliness these people would understand that I am nowhere near an always serious business e lawyer of some sort. Shows what you get for thinking, I suppose.
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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 7, 2008 20:58:46 GMT -6
I apologize for the preceding posts from me. I got out of hand, and I am sorry if I made anyone angry, sad, et cetera. I will not be deleting them for personal needs.
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Post by mrfroggy on Aug 7, 2008 21:14:44 GMT -6
I am not sad, nor offended, I am just curious as to why you seem down on things so fast lately. I hope things are going well for you though.
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Post by Firemaster on Aug 8, 2008 11:23:32 GMT -6
I am not sad, nor offended, I am just curious as to why you seem down on things so fast lately. I hope things are going well for you though. As do I. I have to admit though, Sur Realis. You sure know how to put one hell of a fight up there. I like that.
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Post by Dragonslayer2 on Aug 8, 2008 13:20:46 GMT -6
I think that somehow, THG may survive the barrage of inpatient players and lack of a good arsenal of admins. On adverage, I see about 20-28 members online at a time. Even though I see more and more people like Sur Realise getting frustated with the game and the people in it being just not how you think they should be in a public game, This game has always been a good game and if anything, the current player are going to keep playing. Right or am I assuming wrong? No offence to Sur Realise or anyone else. THG just might go down, though.
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Post by Sandlight on Aug 8, 2008 13:24:01 GMT -6
No more discussing. All it will lead to is people with opinions entering flame wars with other people with opinions.
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Post by Firemaster on Aug 8, 2008 13:38:21 GMT -6
No more discussing. All it will lead to is people with opinions entering flame wars with other people with opinions. Yeah. Thats true. Thats how arguements happen. People with different opinions collide and they begin a war. And most suspect they are right. Well no one is right for now. When v8 comes we will see if it is surely dying or not. And by that I mean, when v8 comes out, if more people, say we start getting around 60 Invesyigators per day, that means its fine. If we get about the same amount of Investigators per day, then its Dying. But for now no one knows.
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Post by lordphoenix on Aug 9, 2008 17:12:45 GMT -6
No more discussing. All it will lead to is people with opinions entering flame wars with other people with opinions. Yeah. Thats true. Thats how arguements happen. People with different opinions collide and they begin a war. And most suspect they are right. Well no one is right for now. When v8 comes we will see if it is surely dying or not. And by that I mean, when v8 comes out, if more people, say we start getting around 60 Invesyigators per day, that means its fine. If we get about the same amount of Investigators per day, then its Dying. But for now no one knows. The only problem with that is the shortage of active staff members. It's only pushing v8 back more to the point where it may well be 2015. Then you get disillusioned people like me who think v8 is but a myth that will never BE completed, because we've seen too many BYOND games suffer a similar fate due to disinterest, frustration, or a myriad of personal reasons on the part of the staff (sounding familiar, yes?). Don't place your stakes on a new version of the game to save it. The less attention the game gets, the less pressure the staff will feel to complete it, and they may pull the plug altogether, or take a very minimalistic approach to the updating process (look at FF5AW for an example of that).
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Post by Sur Realis on Aug 10, 2008 4:01:38 GMT -6
I think that somehow, THG may survive the barrage of inpatient players and lack of a good arsenal of admins. On adverage, I see about 20-28 members online at a time. Even though I see more and more people like Sur Realise getting frustated with the game and the people in it being just not how you think they should be in a public game, This game has always been a good game and if anything, the current player are going to keep playing. Right or am I assuming wrong? No offence to Sur Realise or anyone else. THG just might go down, though. I think I got more offended at you misspelling Realis than stating the truth. Which, if you don't catch that, was very infinitesimally offensive. I am perfectly capable of stating my opinion without insulting anyone directly, and have no reason to insult people that haven't insulted me. If people take what I say as offensive, so be it, I'm not trying to offend them. And I will continue to discuss this. I will continue to discuss this until I feel it unnecessary to discuss it even further because there is a standstill on facts and opinions or if the entire matter is deemed inappropriate, which I would doubt, since anyone that gets offended by what I type here is getting offended on their own time and fault, not mine. I enter an argument with two intentions - to change another person's opinion or get my own opinion changed. If my opinion changes, I feel like I learned something new. If another's opinion changes, I feel like I have taught something. If an argument ends up in a flame war and just goes kaput, I feel it is futile to argue with people and that everyone is stubborn-headed, me included. As LP said earlier, just because there are plenty of players doesn't mean a game isn't dying. This is a fan-made game, made by people that aren't paid to do what they are doing - in fact, it ends up being more of a hassle to them to work on this game than it is beneficial. For example, Kija hates coding, but he is the only person that can go about doing it. The Brotherhood have their own lives to tend to - THG isn't their full-time job. Kija, Mahn, Soren, and Constantine are the only people left on the Brotherhood - Constantine hasn't logged on in ages, or for that matter, MSN (I saw him online earlier today, but that was the first time since... May 8th.) Mahn also hasn't logged on in ages, and the only thing that lets us know that he's alive is that he posted that the server was moving for some odd unknown reason a while back.Mahn remains an enigma to the world, Brotherhood member and THG moderator by day, hardened vigilante with a crippled pastshiny banhammer by night. This leaves Soren and Kija. Does Soren even do anything more than moderate anymore? I can't tell you, but I'm not saying he does nothing for THG. Kija, being the only coder, and not being able to devote his entire life to it, means that very obviously there are going to be snags. One of my favorite snag to point out is that v8 Geyzer has only been worked on again now after the, what, almost two years since Grygasz was worked on? Nothing is known of v8 Magora, and for all we know that could take another entire two years - or more! My point is, the actors may be ready, the costumes and props set up, and the stage prepared, but the entire script isn't written and the actors are just waiting for the rest of their lines.
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Post by Bushido on Aug 10, 2008 5:53:09 GMT -6
We should make a poll.
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