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Post by Rand on Jan 3, 2009 18:56:09 GMT -6
Some of y'all may not like to hear this, and if you don't then I'm sorry. But lately it seems all you guys do is either bitch when a Brotherhood member isn't available, and then you bitch some more when one comes on and acts on something. Seriously, what is the problem here?
For one, staff cannot always be around. Simple fact of life.
For two, staff cannot read your mind and punish rulebreakers exactly as you deem would be perfect for them, nor would they if they could. And it seems everyone who gets dealt with lately has at least one Internet Lawyer ready to defend the case that they're not even bringing up on here half the time. If a staff member makes a decision on someone's fate, that is all there is to it. Unless another administrator feels there's a problem with it, you don't need to butt in. The ONLY time this is an exception is if someone gets jailed or banned for something 100% harmless and in no way a rule offense. If an admin punishes someone just because they don't like them, I expect you to say something. But otherwise, people, leave it alone. Having every little thing bugged on and examined by your own CSI team makes the admins not want to care or do their job anymore. So think about that next time you all complain about something and no one's there to answer you.
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Post by Firemaster on Jan 3, 2009 19:17:58 GMT -6
100% Agreed
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Post by lordphoenix on Jan 4, 2009 23:59:08 GMT -6
80% agreed. If mister internet lawyer has a damned strong and well reasoned case, he fucking well better be throwing it in the face of the admin that made the hasty and underinformed decision. If he's rules lawyering with all the circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy nut and using creative interpretations that are contrived enough to make a supreme court justice blush, he can go fuck himself. If there's one thing I loved as an admin, it was being challenged on my calls. If the challenger had a strong argument or at least a strong and smart approach, he was welcome. If he was weak or grasping at straws, he got to join the banned piece of shit he was brown nosing for. People knew my policy and as a result, I rarely got called on my decisions, and when I did, the caller put up a good fight. Those are refreshing moments for an admin.
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Post by Rand on Jan 5, 2009 1:24:32 GMT -6
80% agreed. If mister internet lawyer has a damned strong and well reasoned case, he fucking well better be throwing it in the face of the admin that made the hasty and underinformed decision. If he's rules lawyering with all the circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy nut and using creative interpretations that are contrived enough to make a supreme court justice blush, he can go fuck himself. If there's one thing I loved as an admin, it was being challenged on my calls. If the challenger had a strong argument or at least a strong and smart approach, he was welcome. If he was weak or grasping at straws, he got to join the banned piece of shit he was brown nosing for. People knew my policy and as a result, I rarely got called on my decisions, and when I did, the caller put up a good fight. Those are refreshing moments for an admin. And if people had strong and well-reasoned cases, I'd not be complaining. But it's more like "Y he git band iz not in rulz bt code dnt allow 4 it bt iz nt in de rulz pge." THAT is a waste of time and an eyesore. ESPECIALLY if the person in question had already agreed wholeheartedly to serve out their sentence. |
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Post by Sur Realis on Jan 5, 2009 6:19:03 GMT -6
Well, of course.
Most of these prepubescent dumbasses don't understand how to conduct themselves properly, and ya can't blame them. I was just as stupid, moody, and challenging when I was like... 11actually 7 because if I challenged my mother she'd beat me down with a leather whip.
But clearly I'm a super-genius and roughly 20 years more advanced than I should be.
It makes me wonder how exactly BYOND is found by so many people that are so... stupid. Since it is almost impossible to get BYOND close to the first page on a generic google search that does not include terms held only by BYOND, such as Dream Maker, it must be entirely by word of mouth.
(Of course, to be less mean, I wouldn't really say they are stupid. I'd call them spoiled idiots that have everything going for them and shit their pants at being denied something.)
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Post by BigFatBob on Jan 5, 2009 10:14:58 GMT -6
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Post by lordphoenix on Jan 5, 2009 10:20:51 GMT -6
Well, of course. Most of these prepubescent dumbasses don't understand how to conduct themselves properly, and ya can't blame them. I was just as stupid, moody, and challenging when I was like... 11actually 7 because if I challenged my mother she'd beat me down with a leather whip.But clearly I'm a super-genius and roughly 20 years more advanced than I should be. It makes me wonder how exactly BYOND is found by so many people that are so... stupid. Since it is almost impossible to get BYOND close to the first page on a generic google search that does not include terms held only by BYOND, such as Dream Maker, it must be entirely by word of mouth. (Of course, to be less mean, I wouldn't really say they are stupid. I'd call them spoiled idiots that have everything going for them and shit their pants at being denied something.) You got it right with that last sentence. Still stupid. |
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Post by Bolt on Jan 6, 2009 21:52:20 GMT -6
If an admin makes his decision thats all there is to it. The only person who is allowed to defend the person being punished is said person. Like what the forums have is you state your case out. And like the Brotherhood have been doing if you're case is good enough you may get some time knocked off. Most, if not all, of the decisions made by the Brotherhood were correct. They're all older than most of us and have most likely have more responsibility than to babysit the idiots who complain to them about each and every little thing. Instead of complaining about every little thing you people should be grateful that they even bother listening to all the bitching and moaning.
Like Rand stated, they can't always be around. If theres a player that repeatedly broke the rules when a staff member isn't around theres a simpler thing than messaging them. Use the damn forums! The forums have an area on complaints. Why not use it to your advantage. If theres players doing things against the rules without a Brotherhood member available don't just spam them the minute they get onto MSN or what ever, just leave a message on the forums and let that be that.
Little advice to the Brotherhood: Sure it may sound like advice given before but just tell people who try to tell you about the game stuff what I do, "Don't message me about the game unless its serious."
That seems to work for me.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to say is leave the Brotherhood alone over every little thing that doesn't require their immediate attention. There a spammer being an idiot? Make a quick log than hit the Ignore feature. Its there for a reason! (at least I think its there haven't been on for some time). Some bypassing? Do the same exact thing! It isn't rocket science...ok maybe to certain people it is.
This ends Bolt's rant.
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Post by Rand on Jan 7, 2009 18:50:37 GMT -6
Like Rand stated, they can't always be around. If theres a player that repeatedly broke the rules when a staff member isn't around theres a simpler thing than messaging them. Use the damn forums! The forums have an area on complaints. Why not use it to your advantage. If theres players doing things against the rules without a Brotherhood member available don't just spam them the minute they get onto MSN or what ever, just leave a message on the forums and let that be that. I really couldn't have put it better myself. (Please dont take offense to this, Bolt) The guy who does random stupid things to himself, which I'm sure have included getting himself caught on fire, has stated that the board has a Complaints area. Why hasn't this more or less been caught on with before? I know I've said it before, and it's right there for anyone with forum access to see, too. |
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Post by Speedy mc Speedy, Infamous DG2 on Jan 8, 2009 15:43:53 GMT -6
I 115% agree with you, Rand.
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Post by Bolt on Jan 8, 2009 15:44:40 GMT -6
No offense considein I was stupid enough to do those things >.> . But it IS pretty sad when I mention something smart.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 4, 2009 7:19:57 GMT -6
Like Rand stated, they can't always be around. If theres a player that repeatedly broke the rules when a staff member isn't around theres a simpler thing than messaging them. Use the damn forums! The forums have an area on complaints. Why not use it to your advantage. If theres players doing things against the rules without a Brotherhood member available don't just spam them the minute they get onto MSN or what ever, just leave a message on the forums and let that be that. I can only agree with you for about 50%. Yes, it would be a smart move to leave a message in the complaints section of the THG forums. Though, seeing the fact that the Brotherhood, or at least one of the members, can't always be on, it would seem to me that they wouldn't first get on the forums and get on THG after that. I could be wrong, of course. Maybe they do it like that. I wouldn't know, but it just doesn't seem like the most realistic way to do it. Anyway, if there's one very annoying person, talking in caps all the time, spamming like hell and is being very unkind to other people playing the game at that very moment. Wouldn't it be better to actually notify someone from the Brotherhood via MSN or any other instant messaging? I mean, of course it'll be annoying, being notified a lot. But that one person could ruin the gaming experience of more than one person. There could, of course, also be another possibility of warning the Brotherhood, which I presume is doing something else at that very moment. You could, in example, make an e-mail address, accessible for the Brotherhood only and for complaints about annoying/rule breaking persons only. So, that if you were to be away from your computer at that time and you'd come back. Maybe another Brotherhood member has already solved the problem. Maybe there hasn't been, but there also aren't loads of shiny and blinking messages awaiting you. It's just an example. There are plenty enough possibilities of dealing with this problem to make it a win-win situation, for the Brotherhood as well as for the community. Now, this may all sound negative in some kind of way, but all I'm trying to do is help solving this nasty problem for everyone's sake. Ralph. |
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Post by U. Dye on Feb 4, 2009 9:46:02 GMT -6
Well Ralph, you necromanced the living hell out of this thread, but since you had something meaningful to add, I'll just add my two cents and be done with it.
I don't think it would be better to have an email address just for complaints like that, because of the simple fact that it would give us another page to have to go look at; we already have the forums to monitor and the server to police. You may as well post your complaints in a place we already have set up for it, instead of adding another. As far as I can tell, it's not often we even get those kinds of misbehavers (or nobody ever bothers telling me about them, whichever), so after enough time of the email being filled with nothing but spam (or just nothing) we'd probably get tired of checking it, and eventually it'd get to a point of us logging in and somebody going "Did you get my email?", at which point I'd have to ask, what difference is there between having an email or just telling us right there what happened? There really isn't much of one.
Short version: Email is a bad idea because I believe it would be rather pointless.
Edit: Also of note, I don't mind being messaged if there's a problem. I'll come in, deal with it, and that'll be that. I can't speak for Kija, Soren, Kain, etc. though.
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Post by Rand on Feb 5, 2009 0:10:46 GMT -6
What do you think the Complaints section was made for? Copy down a keyname and a little log of whatever the offender is doing, and maybe when it happened, and post it on here. I always checked the forums before I'd get on, and it'd not be a bad habit for the others to pick up either if you all actually used the proper channels for once instead of hammering our messenger boxes with those blinking lights you so lovingly referred to. I used to have 6 of them flashing when I'd wake up in the morning. Unnecessary, people. Those with less patience than me would simply stop caring, as it'd feel like it were more overbearing than it needs to be. Wink wink.
Anyway. I doubt you guys even use the email for reporting bugs, since you guys would usually either tell ME (I can count 5 occasions off the top of my head), tell Kija, forumize it, or any fashionable amount of those choices combined. So why should we do that when there's a Complaints section here?
Only You Can Prevent the Complaints Section From Becoming the Internet Lawyer Lounge! *Points with tophat on*
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Post by Sur Realis on Feb 5, 2009 6:48:39 GMT -6
What do you think the Complaints section was made for? Copy down a keyname and a little log of whatever the offender is doing, and maybe when it happened, and post it on here. I always checked the forums before I'd get on, and it'd not be a bad habit for the others to pick up either if you all actually used the proper channels for once instead of hammering our messenger boxes with those blinking lights you so lovingly referred to. I used to have 6 of them flashing when I'd wake up in the morning. Unnecessary, people. Those with less patience than me would simply stop caring, as it'd feel like it were more overbearing than it needs to be. Wink wink. Anyway. I doubt you guys even use the email for reporting bugs, since you guys would usually either tell ME (I can count 5 occasions off the top of my head), tell Kija, forumize it, or any fashionable amount of those choices combined. So why should we do that when there's a Complaints section here? Only You Can Prevent the Complaints Section From Becoming the Internet Lawyer Lounge! *Points with tophat on* |
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Post by Rand on Feb 6, 2009 6:59:12 GMT -6
I know YOU did, Shane. Even if you still blasted those to me, too. And more besides. =P
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Post by Sur Realis on Feb 6, 2009 8:06:17 GMT -6
Those were only the ones I sent with Rdyjin@gmail.com. I'm too lazy to load Younglinkie@gmail.com and what must be it's 7,000 unread messages to see what ones I sent with that email.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 6, 2009 8:58:51 GMT -6
I do understand that it is just another e-mail address. I do understand it is another thing to check out (every day). But I can imagine, waking up, seeing those shiny, flickery lights at the bottom of your screen. Opening them up and looking at the messages, which are, most likely, about people who are/were annoying or breaking (a) rule(s) on THG. Now, like you said, the others may not have as much patience as you do and I can imagine other people starting their days bad already, just because of reading those messages from YIM/MSN/etc. that are spread all over the bottom of your screen. That's why I suggested an e-mail address. If someome else of the Brotherhood is up earlier than you, he might have taken care of it already. This way, only one takes care of it, only one reads the messages and the other ones get messages about good/nice/fun things on YIM/MSN/etc. for a change. This way, you'll just share the load. And it's just slightly easier/instant than the complaints section on the forums, if you think about it. Anyway, this might not be such a good idea, it's just AN idea.
Ralph.
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Post by Rand on Feb 6, 2009 22:53:18 GMT -6
Again, that is what the forums are for. There can be NO confusion whatsoever if things were done and handled via the forums so long as whichever member were to respond that they have handled X problem in THIS fashion. Much easier to read and figure out than everyone logging onto a mutual email. Besides, THIS is already here. A new email account would have to be made.
And after everyone decided after the novelty of it, after a week or two, wore off and it got boring, we would have yet ANOTHER way to report things that rarely if ever gets used. Let's actually use what we already HAVE for it, the Complaints board, instead.
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Post by Sur Realis on Feb 6, 2009 23:01:47 GMT -6
Again, that is what the forums are for. There can be NO confusion whatsoever if things were done and handled via the forums so long as whichever member were to respond that they have handled X problem in THIS fashion. Much easier to read and figure out than everyone logging onto a mutual email. Besides, THIS is already here. A new email account would have to be made. And after everyone decided after the novelty of it, after a week or two, wore off and it got boring, we would have yet ANOTHER way to report things that rarely if ever gets used. Let's actually use what we already HAVE for it, the Complaints board, instead. So few people visit the forums, though. So few people even play the game, really, in the first place. Basically 1/4 of the people that try the game are trolls or can't stand to figure out WER 2 GO FUR FITE. There is no real need to visit the forums. All it is is just a big discussion pot, that doesn't require everyone to be there at the same time. Wsay is much more useful for talking, and there isn't anything game-breaking that requires the forums. There's no guides or anything here. (Let's face it, the game does not even NEED guides.) I mean, 'frequent visitors' of the forums check in once every like two or three days. Most don't bother to post. On top of that, you have to REGISTER just to SEE the forums. Not many people feel like registering to see what's on the forums, so no one really cares. |
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Post by Kija on Feb 6, 2009 23:05:45 GMT -6
The register to see thing is one of the things that I have been meaning to change. I think more people would be willing to create an account and reply to something if they were able to see it first to do so.
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Post by Rand on Feb 7, 2009 7:23:32 GMT -6
It would also help if that Forums command were to be put in server-side. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 7, 2009 19:01:43 GMT -6
So, another e-mail address isn't going to happen. Not many people visit the forums frequently or 'feel' like reporting/posting anything in the complaints section. Over Wsay wouldn't be the best either, because if there's no BH member online for a while, the report would already be gone by a couple of dozens of lines. What else is there to do about this? Well, we're back at the instant messaging.. There's really nothing good to do about it to get both sides satisfied, is there?
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Post by Rand on Feb 8, 2009 0:26:01 GMT -6
People need to use the damn forums. I cannot stress this enough. Quite frankly, if you guys aren't willing to use what is given you to report things to the administration, then it's your own fault while we're away that things aren't getting taken care of. Chew on that for awhile.
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Post by Taterz on Feb 9, 2009 19:39:27 GMT -6
i report rand for misconduct, he threw a damn ninja hakama in my laundry. that doesn't fly well with my jolly roger you bastard
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Post by Rand on Feb 11, 2009 0:21:30 GMT -6
Pfft, you just want to see me in handcuffs, Tatz. Don't try to deny it.  |
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Post by Sur Realis on Feb 11, 2009 14:26:11 GMT -6
Pfft, you just want to see me in handcuffs, Tatz. Don't try to deny it. Hot. |
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