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Post by Rand on Mar 17, 2009 15:19:41 GMT -6
As of today, I was asked by Mahn to deliver a message to everyone. He has told me that throughout this recent period of time in his life, through the issues with his wife and then his cheating girlfriend, have brought things into perspective for him. Therein, upon getting a better, cheaper apartment for himself and regaining internet access, he will be re-hosting the server, and that there will be some changes made around here.
More will come as he is available on his own to say more on the subject, but I'd get myself a weather eye to the future, lads.
--Rand
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Post by Soren on Mar 17, 2009 15:51:49 GMT -6
I'm so confused.
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Post by BigFatBob on Mar 17, 2009 21:42:47 GMT -6
I hear that.
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Post by Sur Realis on Mar 17, 2009 21:44:34 GMT -6
lolwut Wonder what that's supposed to mean. First new order of business: I pwipe and ban everyone lololol And, y'know, I'll be real pissed if he does a pwipe, simply on the concept that it would be entirely pointless, and this far in the server downtime, extremely and stupidly self-serving.
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Post by Divusmors on Mar 17, 2009 23:34:06 GMT -6
Maybe it'll be because you said it. Jerk, you got me deleted.
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Post by Sur Realis on Mar 18, 2009 5:59:02 GMT -6
Maybe it'll be because you said it. Jerk, you got me deleted. Actually, I support a pwipe in the basis of itself. I do not support a pwipe upon Mahn's coming back, for various reasons not to be shared with the public. The only people who'd REALLY suffer are those that hit Level 60. Getting to Level 55 or so - especially with the new Enlightenment - really isn't too bad, and anyone can grind it if they have any sort of patience whatsoever. That aside, I support a pwipe because, with how things are set up, new people can't aspire to be the best 'cause the best has already been done. Level 63 Black Mage with pure Will Power, for example. That won't be done again, and if it is, by the time anyone else hits 63 Jummy will be, what, 72? There's really no sense of competition, and it just makes it an extremely grindy grind-fest.
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Post by Divusmors on Mar 18, 2009 9:50:31 GMT -6
Pwipe is what threw it all off before. Before your time, there was always a party or two in every area. Pre cath, cath, dm, gy, skyre, hassen side ic, mona, and tote. Since mahn's computer got stolen, it's been like how it is. A giant pain in the ass. Besides, big whoop so someone is higher. If it inspires you to try harder to be higher, good for you. Otherwise, I don't see why the people that have been playing longer than others should be forced to start over. It's not their fault those lower leveled people came years late.
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Post by Taterz on Mar 18, 2009 15:40:24 GMT -6
with the extremely ridiculous exp requirement to reach 60 (i think it was something like 800 million or so), there's really no need to level that high. most people got the "pure stat" here builds and end up getting wiped because of it.
if anything, a wipe would be beneficial since most people know what's coming ahead and could better prepare for it.
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Post by Divusmors on Mar 18, 2009 16:24:10 GMT -6
Maybe, but I'm really close to 60, so it'd feel like total suckage for me.
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Post by Sur Realis on Mar 18, 2009 19:17:24 GMT -6
Maybe, but I'm really close to 60, so it'd feel like total suckage for me. Really, to be honest, the main thing I think would justify a pwipe is when (or, with Nate's retirement, if) the new EXP tables get put in. If I recall correctly, where Sur Realis is now (about Level 55), she would jump up to Level 59 or so, if not further up. Level 63 people might hit 70 or higher, really. Besides that, it would speed up the level up process that it would actually be faster to kill Imps and Rats to get that first brutal level up rather than have someone run you to the Mark. It would also make the draggiest part of the game, Death Mountains, fairly quick, and not a super-shitty ass grind where training in Cath is actually more viable than DM. Besides the new EXP tables, Version 8 is going to be such a heavy-ass overhaul that it'll almost be a brand-new game. It might be something worth pwiping over so that people would start over from the beginning and experience it as a new game.
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Post by Erb on Mar 19, 2009 2:36:35 GMT -6
I got to say a pwipe sounds bad to me at this moment, have no computor and internet in my name atm (If servers up soon).We all can recover our lvls, it'll take time, it won't be the first time had to do it (for some of us). Erb is like, half a lvl ahead of where he was back on Mahn's old server.
Anyways, It seemed to me when the first restrictions were put in it did as much or more damage to the amount of players, and word about this new system hasn't got out yet. Sadly any restrictions at all,, lvl cap,, party level cap (doesn't matter) makes many cry and bellyache. Also these people straight up leave when the server goes down, a hour or days it doesn't matter, and don't come back. I wouldn't of had to type all that if i could of put a name on them, anyone? All in all (say whatever you wan't about those crybabies) is what made ff:thg so active ( i got to say is allllloooot more funner) back in the good ole days. I'm confused, Mahn sayed, "changes", with an "s"? More than 1!? uh oh XD
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Post by Joker The Royale on Mar 20, 2009 8:56:16 GMT -6
I have to say one thing. I will fucking laugh if he P-wipes. =)
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Post by Assailant on Mar 31, 2009 17:48:58 GMT -6
Besides the new EXP tables, Version 8 is going to be such a heavy-ass overhaul that it'll almost be a brand-new game. It might be something worth pwiping over so that people would start over from the beginning and experience it as a new game. Too bad V8 meets us 6 years down the road. Anyways, glad to hear the news.
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Post by Rand on Mar 31, 2009 17:59:20 GMT -6
Too bad V8 meets us 6 years down the road. Anyways, glad to hear the news. I've already made mentions along this line before, too. I don't even know how things are coming along anymore. But, yeah, V8 has been in the works for a few years now already.
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Post by orangetails on Apr 3, 2009 15:12:57 GMT -6
Too bad V8 meets us 6 years down the road. Anyways, glad to hear the news. I've already made mentions along this line before, too. I don't even know how things are coming along anymore. But, yeah, V8 has been in the works for a few years now already. Well, a few would mean two or three, if I recall it's been in development since 2006, (Which is possibly when I first came to THG.) Even though it may take 2-6 (6 being fairly optimistic, and overboard.) years to complete this game, Actually, how long does it take a highly trained team (Estimated to about 100 people) take to complete one game? 3 to 4 years. A small, but, efficient team? Alittle bit longer, but not over board like 2015. By 2015 I believe V9 would be at 20%. XDDD
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Post by Rand on Apr 3, 2009 16:57:29 GMT -6
It has been since mid-2005. And it could have been put out by now, if not for...certain things.
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Post by Kija on Apr 3, 2009 17:08:06 GMT -6
It was not that early. Just version five was released on February 22nd, 2005. Although version six and seven did not take as long, they still took a while as different things were discussed and the map set up.
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Post by Sur Realis on Apr 3, 2009 17:11:58 GMT -6
It was not that early. Just version five was released on February 22nd, 2005. Although version six and seven did not take as long, they still took a while as different things were discussed and the map set up. Kija seemed quick to defend himself there, posting 11 minutes after Rand.
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Post by Rand on Apr 3, 2009 21:09:53 GMT -6
Version 8 was being discussed for awhile by the time Sept. of 05 came around, even the forums' destruction will show you that if you dig, and I remember enough of it besides.
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Post by Kija on Apr 3, 2009 22:27:06 GMT -6
Well, it also depends on which version eight. The very first iteration of version eight had pretty much no classes changes besides a few new skills and was just a map like any other map, and that was it. Not even the redone bosses had been planned back then. The game was just like version seven with a new maze planned. If we stuck with that version eight, we probably would have been done a long time ago. But I am glad we did not go in that direction.
I suppose that version eight would have been in mid to late 2005, if we really want to count that sort of version. In early 2006, we started to discuss the new version eight with the addition of the bosses, and it started to grow from there.
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Post by orangetails on Apr 3, 2009 23:24:36 GMT -6
I suppose that version eight would have been in mid to late 2005, if we really want to count that sort of version. In early 2006, we started to discuss the new version eight with the addition of the bosses, and it started to grow from there. *Dances to the Final Fantasy Victory Theme, singing how his hypothesis was correct that Version 8 of today was started in 2006. ;D* Also, if you did just make a map for Version 8, it'd probably wouldn't be as cool as today's Version 8. Thank god you did more than less. xD
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Post by Thornreaper on Apr 4, 2009 11:59:19 GMT -6
I find it annoying that this whole post starts with a cryptic and pointless message. Great job scaring the masses, Rand. Now they're all talking non-sense. This is a waste of a thread really.
If you have something to say about the server coming back, leave it to facts, and not any cryptic garbage. And, it's indefensible. I saw what you did there. :/
No matter what you say, ", and that there will be some changes made around here. More will come as he is available on his own to say more on the subject, but I'd get myself a weather eye to the future, lads. " was not needed, nor did it add to anyone's understanding of the situation.
I'm sure peoples interest-in-changes-that-might-not-even-happen-nor-have-even-been-outlined would be peaked at the restoration of the server. I think that this whole situation is so disorganized and incoherent that no changes could be made even if you all tried to make them.
You know I normally agree with you, but I disagree with the way this was handled. If you scare the masses, you get them thinking their opinion actually matters on issues that don't even exist yet.
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Post by Rand on Apr 4, 2009 14:28:49 GMT -6
I don't really care if you like it or not. I just told what I was asked to tell. Take it up with Mahn when he gets back.
Try to think before you shoot your mouth off at me. Why would things change at all if Mahn were not coming back and putting the server back up? Honestly, - I - find it annoying that you didn't think before gunning for me. The whole of your post was a complaint about how I said what I said, and I can tell it to you however I want. I certainly didn't ask the masses to run their mouths off about "LOL PWIPE OMG", now did I?
As for pointless, again, if you think it's pointless, feel free to tell Mahn that when he gets back, cause he wanted everyone to know it.
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Post by Sur Realis on Apr 4, 2009 22:44:20 GMT -6
You know, as much as I like seeing this drama between BH and ex-BH...
Take it to private.
I know, I'm the last person that would say something like that, considering that generally, I know nothing of administration and the only admin jobs I've ever had I did really shitty at.
But, seriously guys, take it to private.
It's becoming fairly obvious that some of you don't agree with each other. We, the players, do not need to know this. 'Cause, get this: If two admins in specific disagree with each other constantly, it will then become a player rivalry too. If one admin punishes someone, they can just take it to the other admin, right?
Also, it shows weakness in the administration, as if it isn't clear enough to anyone that wants to look for weakness. Which is a big problem. Admin affairs should not be made public, and clearly there is a BIG affair made public in this thread.
...Certain things? Thank you for implying a great many things here.
Great, great, point out Rand's mistake in public. This will only cause MORE drama and MORE uproar. *Claps*
Believe it or not, players check the forums too. And not just players that are clued into the BH happenings anyway, but others too.
Also, the entire thing about a pwipe was a joke. Though I do still support it, Mahn would have to be batshit insane and pretty fucking dumb if he's pwiping. Hopefully, he's neither, and hopefully I won't get banned for saying that.
Edit~
One) If I'm getting banned or warned for this post, I believe someone is batshit insane.
Two) In your defenses, Brotherhood and Brotherhood Retirees, I'd probably make the same mistake as bringing all this to public. Fortunately, I don't/won't/haven't/shouldn't have robes. So it's not my responsibility to care about what's made public and what isn't.
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Post by Rand on Apr 4, 2009 22:53:59 GMT -6
Thank you for telling me also that I made a mistake when I was doing as I was asked by a Brotherhood member, Shane. And don't assume that I'm poking Kija when I say what i did. There are a lot of things that had happened to postpone the version release that has nothing at all to do with him, thank you. I think if there were anything needing taken to PMs, we'd know enough to do it on our own. Like I said, since apparently you all cannot read, I posted this specifically for Mahn since he cannot yet, lacking internet. Just as he asked me specifically to do, on here. Don't like it, bitch to HIM when he gets his net back. I don't care. I only did as asked. You're bitching at the messenger.
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Post by Kija on Apr 4, 2009 22:55:36 GMT -6
Besides Thornreaper's post, I do not really see any sort actual arguement happening, and Thornreaper was never a Brotherhood member, so I am not quite sure what you are saying. Although, I do agree with you on the private part. It is a part of the reason why another post made a long time ago made me a little annoyed. But at the moment, I do not see that happening, at least between Brotherhood or ex-Brotherhood members.
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Post by Sur Realis on Apr 4, 2009 23:02:21 GMT -6
Besides Thornreaper's post, I do not really see any sort actual arguement happening, and Thornreaper was never a Brotherhood member Oh, my bad. Well then, half of my argument is flawed, and Thronraeper beat me to being an ass and making drama. I hate you.Next time lets team up in being an ass.
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Post by Thornreaper on Apr 6, 2009 11:58:13 GMT -6
I hope I didn't get mis-quoted on that 2005 v8 thing... that wasn't me, not sure why it was mentioned in your reply to me, Realis.
And Rand, I was just noting that I felt your original post was encouraging hysteria just by the way you worded it. Now, if Mahn wanted to cause hysteria vicariously through you than he did a good job of it.
I wasn't trying to be an ass. Rand, I do agree that you are not responsible for peoples reactions/conclusions, however, less disclosure would have been fine, especially on the part I quoted. That was all. Not angry enough to kill you, makeup sex preferred.
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Post by Rand on Apr 7, 2009 5:50:24 GMT -6
I think my fiance might disagree with this arrangement. I know you want my robes off, Thorn, but I'm afraid I'm a one-woman Redmage. CANT YOU SEE WE"RE NOT MEANT TO BE!?!?! /wrists But, yeah. That's fine. Reason I haven't said more is because he asked me specifically not to till he could do so himself. And even I don't know what all he's planned yet.
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Post by Kain on Apr 8, 2009 0:49:35 GMT -6
Oh, come on, guys -- Mahn is obviously preparing to turn every enemy encounter into a pack of 32 Chocromancers. Chocromancers with large clubs. And guns. 'Cause they're from the future. And every player spell and ability will have the same effect as Slip Strike. BE AFRAID
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