Soren
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 16:43:41 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jun 17, 2008 16:43:41 GMT -6
Read it and discuss, please everyone.
Kyoshi says: hey Soren says: Hi. Kyoshi says: soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Kyoshi says: u all declind Kyoshi says: my Kyoshi says: unban attept Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: Precisely. Kyoshi says: why Soren says: Because. As much as you wish it to be so, or may think to yourself- you are not ready to come back. Kyoshi says: erm Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: You know why I declined? Kyoshi says: annoying/ Kyoshi says: lolz Kyoshi says: ? Soren says: As much as I tell you not to nudge unless you really need to get me, you still do it anyway. I've had to tell you so many times now. If you can't respect my one small request like that, what makes you think I believe you can follow the server rules? Soren says: Exactly. Kyoshi says: becos i can Kyoshi says: >.< Kyoshi says: becos im bored on Kyoshi says: MSN Kyoshi says: so i do stuff like Kyoshi says: that Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: And I tell you not to. And you do it anyway. So just because you might get bored, does it make it okay to break a rule in the server? Kyoshi says: no Kyoshi says: becos if i was on FFTHG Kyoshi says: i would be training Kyoshi says: >., Soren says: So why did you get banned in the first place, hmm? Kyoshi says: threathing to hack a guy Soren says: So where was all this training distraction when you did that? You're going to need a better excuse than that. Kyoshi says: its not my fault a guy was pissing me off while i was training Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: Yes, but how you reacted to it WAS your fault. And until you realize that, there's no way in hell that you'll be unbanned. Kyoshi says: i understand that Kyoshi says: on thrusday it be so far Kyoshi says: 2 months ban Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: To my understanding, you're blaming someone annoying you over your own actions. Kyoshi says: no Kyoshi says: it was complaining to me for not training right and i booted him from party Kyoshi says: then he was swearing at me Kyoshi says: and then i said i will hack u Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: You should have just ignored him, or blocked 'im. Unless it got bad enough, then you should have reported him. Kyoshi says: >.< Kyoshi says: U know what Kyoshi says: i got banned twice at skool Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: And? Kyoshi says: the skool is Kyoshi says: a evil Kyoshi says: place Kyoshi says: how can i get banned twice under 3 weeks? Kyoshi says: seesh Kyoshi says: lolz Soren says: You mean you got banned at home, logged into THG from school, and got banned again? Kyoshi says: no Kyoshi says: i was at skool Kyoshi says: went toliet the first time Kyoshi says: and got Kyoshi says: banned becos my friend was doing shit on Kyoshi says: my char Kyoshi says: and then 2 weeks ago Kyoshi says: i mean Kyoshi says: 2 week after Kyoshi says: rand was speaking to me about the hacking thing Kyoshi says: i said some things outer place and got banned again at skooll Soren says: This might be unprofessional for me to ask, but. Soren says: Are you retarded? Kyoshi says: no Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: If you are banned from a game, why even log on again in the first place and bypass the ban? Kyoshi says: LOL Kyoshi says: the first 1 my friend did Kyoshi says: lolz Soren says: If you wanted to be unbanned you should have went to the forums like everyone else instead of having to evade. Soren says: And that's another thing. Kyoshi says: con';s banned me >.< Soren says: Be responsible. Kyoshi says: and then i aviod ban forums evading Kyoshi says: and rand said if i never Kyoshi says: iw as going get unbanned from the forums Soren says: This is what I love about Rand. He doesn't take shit from people. Kyoshi says: true Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: In any case, you're going to stay banned unless you prove you can straighten up your act. That is all. Kyoshi says: omg Kyoshi says: thats why i wanted that 1 week unban Kyoshi says: >.< Kyoshi says: to show Kyoshi says: the Bh i have Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: Are you banned from the forums right now? Kyoshi says: yes Kyoshi says: 2 months so far Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: Okay, so I found your post. Kyoshi says: my post >.< Soren says: "i never did nothing wrong and i got banned what the hell? no one told me hacking is bannable Repeated bullying what the hell i never did that and threateneing to hack people keys this don't mean im going hack them ok . jesus its not fair >.< and this is only 1 person ur talking about no everyone >>< and rand he was pissing me off >.< and u didn't even get my side of the story so u can't say anythink" Soren says: How in the living hell did you think that would clear you up? Kyoshi says: that was Kyoshi says: like 1 week and 2 weeks ago Soren says: It was over a month ago. And why should I care about that? What are you trying to get at? Kyoshi says: that i have changed since then >.< Soren says: Well I'll tell you what. Kyoshi says: what? Soren says: I'll see what I can do to get you unbanned from the forums. On one condition. You regularly use the forums for a while without getting yourself in trouble. If you can manage that, then it might show us just how much you want to be back, and we might give you another chance. This also doesn't mean you should constantly bug us and tell us how long it has been so far. Soren says: Because trust me- we know without being told. Kyoshi says: ^.^ Kyoshi says: wow thxs Soren says: I'll run the idea by everyone. I'll tell you the results, I guess.
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 17:10:08 GMT -6
Post by Takahashi on Jun 17, 2008 17:10:08 GMT -6
I'm still leery of the idea of unbanning him in any way, and that log doesn't really give me much reason to reconsider. Account sharing has never been something I'm all that fond of for the primary reason that shows up in that log; someone can easily log in under one of your characters, be an utter dick and break rules left and right (i.e., get banned). In the end, players need to show some responsibility with their keys. Regardless of whether you do something stupid on your key or if someone else does something stupid on you key, it's still something stupid being done on your key. So if a player feels that they MUST share a key with someone else, they should make damn sure they are beyond a shadow of a doubt sharing that key with someone trustworthy.
In general, the first third/half of that log from Kyoshi's side comes off a lot like "When I get bored, I do extremely stupid shit... but why do I get in trouble for it??" I get the feeling he does things without stopping to think about whether they're a good idea (or worse, not caring all that much whether or not it's a good idea). Until he faces solid consequences for that devil-may-care attitude, it's unlikely to ever change.
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Soren
Hunter
To me, it was a Tuesday.
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 18:33:41 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jun 17, 2008 18:33:41 GMT -6
I completely agree. But he continues to claim he can straighten out and stuff. And I thought putting him on that forums test, so to speak, would give us the chance to really see if he was serious or not about it. He simply regularly posts, interacts, and if he can avoid being an irritating slimeball, maybe we might reconsider and give him another chance.
At the moment, I really don't support him being unbanned- from the server at least. I'm a bit interested in watching him though, just to see if he'd follow along with the deal.
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 20:49:26 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jun 17, 2008 20:49:26 GMT -6
You won't find any support from ME on the matter. What you may not know of the story, mate, is that the guy he threatened to hack, who pissed him off in his training, told him to piss off because KYOSHI wanted to charge the guy gold to be in his party and help level him. I support Prophet's reaction 100% and would have told Kyoshi off just as well. If you unban him, I will simply RE-BAN him. I'm not gonna let another Hydrocrush parade on here after all the things he did and said.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 21:03:19 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jun 17, 2008 21:03:19 GMT -6
..Charging people gold is against the rules? I recall Bolt charging people to run them somewhere. It's not all that different.. If I didn't want to pay them I would have said so and been on my way, as annoying as it might be.
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 21:38:45 GMT -6
Post by Mahn on Jun 17, 2008 21:38:45 GMT -6
No unbanning from me. Fuck the retard.
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Kyoshi
Jun 17, 2008 23:00:38 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jun 17, 2008 23:00:38 GMT -6
Pay attention, mate. I never said he broke a rule trying to charge gold. I said he broke a rule when he threatened to hack Prophet because he didn't like the guy's reaction to such a jackass ridiculous thing.
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Kyoshi
Jun 18, 2008 3:46:00 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jun 18, 2008 3:46:00 GMT -6
Until his attitude changes on MSN, I do not forsee him being any better on the forums. From the log, it seems like he still does not understand how he needs to change. Until he can stop using excuses for his poor behaviour, he will not be ready even for a forum unbanning.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jun 18, 2008 18:41:14 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jun 18, 2008 18:41:14 GMT -6
Alrighty, then. The troop has spoken.
Edit: I told him that he wasn't getting unbanned from the forums. This is the log from a bit of that conversation:
Kyoshi says: the things is Kyoshi says: i could of banned avioded all this time Kyoshi says: >.< Kyoshi says: but i never Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: Okay? Soren says: And if you did, you'd be banned yet again. Kyoshi says: not really Kyoshi says: im like unbannable Kyoshi says: i can never be pem banned Kyoshi says: >.< Soren says: Psh. Kyoshi says: lol Kyoshi says: its true
I guess be on the lookout.
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Kyoshi
Jun 19, 2008 1:00:54 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jun 19, 2008 1:00:54 GMT -6
Trust me, I can make it permanent. No one has unlimited IP address ranges when they're using a single company. Like I said before, if other people have to be blocked for awhile because of him, they can take it out on Kyoshi.
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Kyoshi
Jun 19, 2008 17:25:40 GMT -6
Post by Constantine on Jun 19, 2008 17:25:40 GMT -6
No, this is my ban. He stays gone cause he will never change. Do not unban him.
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Kyoshi
Jun 19, 2008 17:33:02 GMT -6
Post by Takahashi on Jun 19, 2008 17:33:02 GMT -6
Soren, next time he pesters you, let him know that "I can be a big asshole, but because I don't act like that means you must unban me." is shit logic and he's a little shithead for using it.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jun 19, 2008 20:57:08 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jun 19, 2008 20:57:08 GMT -6
Will do.
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Kyoshi
Jun 20, 2008 5:46:02 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jun 20, 2008 5:46:02 GMT -6
The first ban was yours. The second was mine. =P It's OK, Stine. We can share him.
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Kyoshi
Jul 3, 2008 12:54:10 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jul 3, 2008 12:54:10 GMT -6
A recent message from Kyoshi:
Talking to the BH makes me feel ashamed and embarrassed. When I joined byond, I was looking to find friends and cool games, and Final Fantasy: The Hunting Grounds is the best game on byond I have found. I have made a lot of mistakes during my time in the game, ever since my friend got on my key and got me banned. Growing up makes you realize a lot of things about yourself, how you act, what you like, and sometimes the bad qualities about you. I recognize it and you already know, I threatened people that I was going to hack them.
On a serious note, if I was a hacker, I would have hacked the person, but the only person that I was accused of hacking was a key that I used to share with someone I called a friend. I already said it, but you have to know that I am really sorry for this. I have paid the ultimate price... I lost the right to play my favorite game on byond. I used to play other games before The hunting grounds and I shared keys with my friends but guess what I have learned? I should only focus on my own so that I don't get in trouble. I have learned that I can hurt and scare people by saying a simple word even when joking around. I see that the BH are serious in the game and want to be taken serious from now on. I don't want to be banned again but all I want is to be able to play the game again. You already know how sorry I am, and how annoying I can be to bother you all even now. I would love to be able to just come on and party with people and be muted, but at least being able to be play the game.
I know I am just a child, but I am growing older and don't want to grow up and never be able to come back to the game that I love. I know people may think I will be trouble, but you are the judges. I know I am ready to come back, and I hope you can see that. I don't want to be thought of as the annoying kid that bothers you on msn, I want to be more of a friend. I have talked to Soren and I ant to thank him because he is a smart person. He has shown me that I have to be patient and understand that asking to be unbanned a lot is not going to help. I have learned a lot of lessons and want to be given an opportunity. A lot of time has passed, so please, allow me to return. I beat up myself about the situation everyday and I won't be doing retarded things like I have done before. I have changed, I am what you would call a good citizen, and I understand my lesson.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jul 3, 2008 17:06:40 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jul 3, 2008 17:06:40 GMT -6
Before I state my opinion, Kija, what do YOU think?
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Kyoshi
Jul 3, 2008 18:06:54 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jul 3, 2008 18:06:54 GMT -6
It sounds like you are implying that the only opinion I give is what everyone else says, which is not the case. I do not like being accused of something, if that is what you are trying to imply.
From his new message, I do think he deserves some chance to help redeem himself. I think that he should at least be unbanned from the forums and allowed to prove himself to be a good member of the forums. His attitude in the message is a lot different than his usual messages he gave in the past. It is possible that he is only trying to repeat what previously told to him; however, if he is given the chance, whether that is true or not would be shown through his behaviour on the forums.
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Kyoshi
Jul 3, 2008 18:47:43 GMT -6
Post by Takahashi on Jul 3, 2008 18:47:43 GMT -6
From his new message, I do think he deserves some chance to help redeem himself. I think that he should at least be unbanned from the forums and allowed to prove himself to be a good member of the forums. His attitude in the message is a lot different than his usual messages he gave in the past. It is possible that he is only trying to repeat what previously told to him; however, if he is given the chance, whether that is true or not would be shown through his behaviour on the forums. I'm still leery, although it DOES seem like he wants a chance at showing that he can reform. I personally still believe he's going to muck things up, but there's little harm in giving him this chance.
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Kyoshi
Jul 3, 2008 23:24:08 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jul 3, 2008 23:24:08 GMT -6
He already had another chance. He used it to call me a jackass and say that he can hack if he chooses to because the rules don't say anything against it. Plus the list of evasions on the forums and the server are longer than my arm span. Feel free to do what you like, but when it blows up all over again, just remember I told you so.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jul 9, 2008 20:23:27 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jul 9, 2008 20:23:27 GMT -6
It sounds like you are implying that the only opinion I give is what everyone else says, which is not the case. I do not like being accused of something, if that is what you are trying to imply. From his new message, I do think he deserves some chance to help redeem himself. I think that he should at least be unbanned from the forums and allowed to prove himself to be a good member of the forums. His attitude in the message is a lot different than his usual messages he gave in the past. It is possible that he is only trying to repeat what previously told to him; however, if he is given the chance, whether that is true or not would be shown through his behaviour on the forums. I'm sorry I didn't get to this sooner, I really meant to. That wasn't what I was trying to imply, I just wanted to hear your own thoughts since you can usually see through this kind of stuff. Now for my own opinion-- if you ask me, it sounds like he got somebody else to write this up for him. His attitude, grammar, and everything that makes him HIM did a complete about-face.
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Kyoshi
Jul 9, 2008 22:32:06 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jul 9, 2008 22:32:06 GMT -6
That is definitely a possibility. The message was a lot different than his usual. However, if it is not really his words, his behaviour is going to show it pretty quickly.
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Kyoshi
Jul 10, 2008 22:36:00 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jul 10, 2008 22:36:00 GMT -6
I dont know which of you unbanned his forum account, but I'm putting it back.
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Kyoshi
Jul 10, 2008 23:02:05 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jul 10, 2008 23:02:05 GMT -6
For those that actually voted, I did not see anyone directly speak against the unbanning. So, banning him now would go against the decision made. In order for him to rebanned, it would have to be revoted.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jul 11, 2008 0:23:08 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jul 11, 2008 0:23:08 GMT -6
He already had another chance. He used it to call me a jackass and say that he can hack if he chooses to because the rules don't say anything against it. Plus the list of evasions on the forums and the server are longer than my arm span. Feel free to do what you like, but when it blows up all over again, just remember I told you so.I guess Kija's willing to take that risk.
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Kyoshi
Jul 11, 2008 21:58:53 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jul 11, 2008 21:58:53 GMT -6
Constantine said no. I said no more than once. Mahn told me on MSN plenty of times to keep him banned. So there's 3 and 3. Frankly, I don't give a shit how many times he asks or how nicely he does it, I'm amazed you all are actually sitting here thinking of giving him ANOTHER chance. He already had more than one. And you all saw how his second one was spent.
If he's this goddamn persistent about it, added into the fact that he got himself banned playing at school as well as home...dont any of you think it might be healthier for him regardless to keep him banned?
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Kyoshi
Jul 12, 2008 11:52:43 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jul 12, 2008 11:52:43 GMT -6
Saying no on MSN does nothing to actually vote. I know this may come to as a surprise, but when people speak on MSN, it does not magically show up on the forums for everyone else to see. "Feel free to do what you like, but when it blows up all over again, just remember I told you so." is not saying no. So, Takahashi did not say no, Soren did not say no, you did not say no, and I did not say no. That is four people. His first ban really could have been his friend, so I was willing to give him that doubt and let his behaviour on the forums decide his fate, not judge him right away based on past actions. There was no harm in it.
If people want him rebanned now, then it will have to be revoted. But I do not want people to start coming here after saying "feel free", and then saying "I said I wanted him to stay banned, so I am going to disobey the votes and ban him again." That goes against the process we have set as a group.
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Soren
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Kyoshi
Jul 12, 2008 13:48:30 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Jul 12, 2008 13:48:30 GMT -6
Personally, I'm fine with one last chance. I'm the one that proposed the idea in the first place. He's acting pretty upset at Rand's decision..
Kyoshi says: Guess getting rebanned from the forums was a good a thing Kyoshi says: Rand just hates me, i understand but ya i guess i wont be able to play THG know more Kyoshi says: Guess a game i really wanted to come back and play is not going to happen
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Kyoshi
Jul 12, 2008 14:24:50 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jul 12, 2008 14:24:50 GMT -6
Do whatever you like then, Kija. But I want to know why the fuck you guys want him back again after everything. Can you at least tell me that? Maybe we should let people back in who post porn links all over the place too. Or unban those people that you banned for abusing Grygasz, maybe, Kija? May as well let them off the hook early if a potential fucking hacker whose shown NO respect for any of us decides to spam and cry until we get tired of hearing it.
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Kyoshi
Jul 12, 2008 23:00:32 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Jul 12, 2008 23:00:32 GMT -6
As much as I hate people who break the rules, are rude, and so on, I do not think banning them forever is always the ideal solution. Some people do change. And if someone wants the chance to prove they have, I believe that under certain circumstances, they should be allowed to prove it. For those that remember Nijaku, his circumstance was the same way.
No matter what the infractation, if someone wants to change, then I think that is a good thing. We can always use more well behaved members, even if they were not in the past. Ofcourse, this does not mean they should just be unbanned the very next day just because they started spouting off about how wrong they were. It takes time. For instance, Kyoshi has been banned for two months now because of his actions. At the moment, he has only been unbanned from just the forums in order to see if he truly has changed. He would have the month of July to prove that he has, if he posts at all. If he does, that would mean three months before he was let back into the game.
Those that abused the Grygasz glitch have been set for a month minimum before they can request their unbanning. For those that can express that they were wrong well enough, they could then be unbanned and hopefully learn to report things next time.
Kyoshi has in the past spammed and whined, but he has gotten a lot better, at least on my side. What harm would there be in giving him this chance? If he screws up, he is gone again. If not, we could have another good person in the community.
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Kyoshi
Jul 13, 2008 0:15:21 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Jul 13, 2008 0:15:21 GMT -6
Maybe the fact that he was *already* given another chance? Call me heartless, but in my book if someone screws up twice it means they're not going to act very differently. Feel feel to prove me wrong if it's possible.
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