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Sept 9, 2007 11:35:23 GMT -6
Post by Sur Realis on Sept 9, 2007 11:35:23 GMT -6
Note, for the general entirety of this topic, I'm talking about actual macros, where you have code that tells the computer what to do without a user actually doing it.
I know leaving something on enter while AFK for battling is legal, so I don't see why having a macro that can do the same exact thing is disallowed, but what about slightly more complicated macros?
First off, with this game, a macro can't really get THAT complicating. Maybe have it move around for you at the end of a battle, and then fight for you. No real way to detect low HP, and such, though. Really, I guess the only three things you can do with a macro are
1) Auto-Fight 2) Auto-Defend and Rest 3) Auto-Find battles and Fight
Would it be allowed to do the second? It would be more useful than holding something on enter for mages, and wouldn't be as time consuming as waiting on the time limit to send them to defend and rest.
Personally, I don't think I would ever use the third one, since most all the time there are about 20 people on, so I could just get in a battle with them. It would probably be disallowed anyway, considering it is rather complicated.
EDIT: And what about having macros to auto-fight with multikeys?
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Sept 9, 2007 18:25:55 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Sept 9, 2007 18:25:55 GMT -6
No. We can't do anything about Enterloggers, I think, because it'd be kinda hard to know for sure. Some people just stay quiet. But we're not going to watch parts of the game play itself. Either you put in the personal time for it, or don't play. And in case you don't use #3, and talk about the rest...how hard is it to use an arrow key and click an option to Defend and Rest, or Fight?
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Sept 9, 2007 19:10:47 GMT -6
Post by Sur Realis on Sept 9, 2007 19:10:47 GMT -6
For the most part, I am active on the game. However, if I need to use the bathroom, or am a bit hungry, that would come in handy for the 5-10 minutes I'm gone, then I'd be back at the game.
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Sept 9, 2007 19:13:43 GMT -6
Post by U. Dye on Sept 9, 2007 19:13:43 GMT -6
That sort of thing is kinda why we have the Defend timer, and you can always just say "AFK a few". A lot simpler and easier than coding a damn macro that will most likely end up getting you killed anyway.
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Sept 10, 2007 5:41:28 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Sept 10, 2007 5:41:28 GMT -6
Besides, there's always that impulse to leave the code on "just a little longer". This is why we now have a tent for you to part in while you grab a bite or whatever else you need to do. Your group will understand.
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Sept 10, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -6
Post by Not on Sept 10, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -6
Note, for the general entirety of this topic, I'm talking about actual macros, where you have code that tells the computer what to do without a user actually doing it. I know leaving something on enter while AFK for battling is legal, so I don't see why having a macro that can do the same exact thing is disallowed, but what about slightly more complicated macros? First off, with this game, a macro can't really get THAT complicating. Maybe have it move around for you at the end of a battle, and then fight for you. No real way to detect low HP, and such, though. Really, I guess the only three things you can do with a macro are 1) Auto-Fight 2) Auto-Defend and Rest 3) Auto-Find battles and Fight Would it be allowed to do the second? It would be more useful than holding something on enter for mages, and wouldn't be as time consuming as waiting on the time limit to send them to defend and rest. Personally, I don't think I would ever use the third one, since most all the time there are about 20 people on, so I could just get in a battle with them. It would probably be disallowed anyway, considering it is rather complicated. EDIT: And what about having macros to auto-fight with multikeys? none are illegal to my knowledge and shouldn't be, grinding isn't in the storyline It'd be rather nifty for someone to release an auto-grinder for the game tbh.
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Sept 10, 2007 18:24:00 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Sept 10, 2007 18:24:00 GMT -6
It's one of those unspoken things, already-known etiquette. Macroing unattended is generally frowned upon no matter WHAT multi-player game you're on. Unless someone else says otherwise above me, I'd say no to the idea. Macroing isn't part of the storyline, either.
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Sept 11, 2007 0:34:26 GMT -6
Post by U. Dye on Sept 11, 2007 0:34:26 GMT -6
I couldn't say for sure, but I think Kija has said in the past that macro'ing is bad. Kija, care to comment?
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Sept 11, 2007 0:46:07 GMT -6
Post by Mahn on Sept 11, 2007 0:46:07 GMT -6
We can't stop people from holding down the enter button, but we can prevent macro using inside the server. No macros. Ever.
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Sept 11, 2007 0:51:00 GMT -6
Post by U. Dye on Sept 11, 2007 0:51:00 GMT -6
Actually, I got a better idea. Let them have their macros, but when they come back (teaching the game to recognize this might be tricky), they get warped to the BH tower, and Bubba uses HIS special macros.
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Sept 11, 2007 1:22:25 GMT -6
Post by Kija on Sept 11, 2007 1:22:25 GMT -6
Using macros for that is very frowned upon. Unfortunately, it is not something that we could easily prevent. Some people are just quiet and do not want to be disturbed.
I remember once being banned from a game for supposely macro mining while I was away, except I was never away. The guy figured I was after he sent me a tell that I was not even sure how to reply to, and it was just weird sentence from a random guy that would normally just be ignored anyways. Instead of saying "Are you here?" It was something about a bus. He sounded like some drunk spammer to me. I would rather not people get banned or other for just not responding to something.
If you are going to use macros, it is better if they are simple things, such as say, world say, or rest. But having the game just do things for you, it can become a problem. However, there is nothing that we can do really do about it. We just have to hope that the majority of the players will not do it and not become something major.
If it did become something major, I am not sure what would happen. Having a bunch of people sitting watching television while macroing through the game is something that I would rather not see. So, please, do not macro through the entire game. Keep it simple.
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Soren
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Sept 11, 2007 14:47:15 GMT -6
Post by Soren on Sept 11, 2007 14:47:15 GMT -6
Jamming the enter key is nifty when you're going to be idle while in a battle anyway, if you've asked the party if they don't mind and tell them when you should be back and such. 'Least they can boot you from the party if it gets too annoying, or leave it. But skipping the game just completely takes all the fun out of it. Hmm.. A tool to help me hit 61 DOES sound neat though.
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Sept 23, 2007 11:56:25 GMT -6
Post by InfiniteWisdom on Sept 23, 2007 11:56:25 GMT -6
awww, the topic that focuses on my rules. I dont enforce the whole {1}afk training/awayness/ holding down enter key methods/etc{1}. I believe i dont like it because it in fact shows your will and consideration on how much you want to play the game, so if you want to level, you should be there to be respectful and a good attribute to party. I myself am known for making the 'Active-Role policy', a rule that speaks on how one cant do the things listed above{1}. Basically every party i am in, people know that rule, and if not, i make sure i speak of it, so that no one is disrespecting me by leaving for 50 hrs and comming back to say bye. Basically i dont see how one could stop this, but there is a way you can take action so that it doesnt happen to you, such as enforcing these types of rules, where you do give warnings out and expect the person to respond, and if they dont, you boot them, simple basically. I have a problem with it many times since i am basically just helping the person out and its for the best, an active party can indeed kill monsters faster and make a party mor effective, but yes, TAKE ACTION! ~InfiniteWisdom
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Sept 23, 2007 15:36:35 GMT -6
Post by Hungry on Sept 23, 2007 15:36:35 GMT -6
I don't see any reason for any macros. It doesn't take that long to choose and spell or enemy, and anything else you can easily do. And if you're going to be gone for 5 minutes -believe it or not- that game goes on without you. You can have 5 minutes without play it isn't going to kill you.
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Sept 24, 2007 1:44:04 GMT -6
Post by kayy on Sept 24, 2007 1:44:04 GMT -6
To me, this would only be fair if it were an in game feature that was available to anyone who wanted to use it, if you are using something of the sort, and getting EXP, while multiple other people who dont have that kind of software/code sits in front of their computer grinding and grinding, it wouldnt be very fair at all. why should any one person get that kind of luxury. thats just my opinion. everyone, or no one, thats how it should be.
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Sept 24, 2007 20:02:52 GMT -6
Post by Not on Sept 24, 2007 20:02:52 GMT -6
I don't see any reason for any macros. It doesn't take that long to choose and spell or enemy, and anything else you can easily do. And if you're going to be gone for 5 minutes -believe it or not- that game goes on without you. You can have 5 minutes without play it isn't going to kill you. The whole point of a macro would be so that you don't go absolutely insane from grinding. Its a scapegoat for most to skip actual game play, but my standpoint on it was so that I could train at the end of the game without going insane with the 120million tnl then, if ever, the epic 300+million Dye did.
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Nessa
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Sept 25, 2007 22:35:06 GMT -6
Post by Nessa on Sept 25, 2007 22:35:06 GMT -6
I remember playing Dark Ages a lot when I use to play it, before I got SO tired of the idiots on there that the game became unbearable to stand around in the depths of the Cthonic Ruins and try to level without actually getting spelled to death by monsters. Oh yes, one hit k.o. by anything down there...
Anyways, people would level their abilities and skills in an area that was able to allow any person of any level to get in. It was called the Wasteland of Eastern Woodlands. People would actually turn on macro programs so that they could go away from the computer for hours, while the program would train their abilities that took forever before they even leveled one time. And, by forever, I mean from 1 hour on up.. The creators added Guards to uphold justice and peace in the game. So, if they caught you "auto-hunting," "sleep-hunting," or just downright macroing, you would be either banished from the town//jailed//exiled//banished and jailed//or banished, jailed, and exiled. All they did was ask you if you were sleep-hunting and they waited an appropriate time for a response. If they couldn't talk in the area, due to it being in a portal to the town, or location, they'd whisper you. If whisper didn't work, they'd mail you. If you didn't respond, they would take care of you. Each person had their jurisdiction but, the Rangers could go anywhere. They were able to jail you..
Anywho.. I think if you want to macro, go ahead. You will be frowned upon, just like what has been said. The only thing that could be done is the Admins warp to you in battle, or when you're out of battle and try to communicate with you. After that, it's just a matter of time... No response, no play.. Good day to you all.
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Sept 26, 2007 17:42:06 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Sept 26, 2007 17:42:06 GMT -6
Or I can simply prevent it from becoming a problem by not allowing it.
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Nessa
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Sept 27, 2007 18:31:47 GMT -6
Post by Nessa on Sept 27, 2007 18:31:47 GMT -6
Or I can simply prevent it from becoming a problem by not allowing it. Just because you choose to not allow it does not mean people still won't use programs to help them level up. To me, I have used the macro program I love a lot, and I could whip up a macro to allow me to level all night, if I felt like it. But, I prefer to actually mess around in fights, and play the game. Anyways, it just comes down to choice, and the Administrators taking action..
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Oct 6, 2007 2:49:23 GMT -6
Post by Sur Realis on Oct 6, 2007 2:49:23 GMT -6
I too play actively; there IS a sense of strategy needed to play this game well, and for the higher majority of the game, like 96% of the time, I am actually comparing other people's command inputs to what I think would be useful and doing my commands accordingly. Its just that there are those people out there that are soooooo impatient they HAVE to battle 16 battles a minute, and I myself don't see anything wrong with macroing for like 5 minutes. Its not like I'm leaving it on for an eternity, and as a few people have noted, I do actually fight in battles when I am here, not holding down enter or repeating the same spell.
Either way, if no one wants me to do it, then I'll just ask if I could be AFK in the party for a few minutes or just leave for a while.
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Oct 6, 2007 22:22:49 GMT -6
Post by Not on Oct 6, 2007 22:22:49 GMT -6
The whole point of macros would be to reduce grinding, like in the case of trying to over level to fight a boss.
I don't see how that one week grinding period is part of a storyline.
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kain18
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Nov 7, 2007 11:04:52 GMT -6
Post by kain18 on Nov 7, 2007 11:04:52 GMT -6
k so everyone thinks macros are bad well they are. macros can lag games and also give advantages that some players don't deserve but isn't there a way to stop macros and the people that use them. I say we should find that way and stop macros because they ruin games and take all the fun out of them. Stop macros today.
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Nov 7, 2007 11:45:18 GMT -6
Post by Mahn on Nov 7, 2007 11:45:18 GMT -6
5. No unnecessary thread necromancy. By this we mean don't revive old threads unless you intend to post worthwhile and relevant content. An old thread is a thread that hasn't been posted on in more than a week or so. Seriously, threads die for a reason. In compilence to this, don't create several topics of the same discussions or ideas. More specifically, making a post in an old thread about your favorite class that amounts to 'lol i agree' is a violation of this rule. Making a post in that same thread where you say what your favorite is and give a semi-detailed (at the least) explanation as to why that class is your favorite, on the other hand, is acceptable. Making that same detailed post in an old thread about your favorite video game is unnecessary and gets you the same punishment as a 'lol +1 post count' post. Topics that have been stickied, can freely be replied to any time, unless stated otherwise. Locked.
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