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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 10:13:52 GMT -6
Post by aceaasem on Apr 20, 2008 10:13:52 GMT -6
1) State your BYOND key that was banned. I was IP banned but Key:Kiyoto
2) State what you were banned for. You need to give acknowledgment to what caused you to be banned.
When I was banned it said I used sex talk over W say. However When I was banned, The last things I said "Will the real Alexenforcer Plz stand up" Then After that I said "Will the real Alexenforcer plz be gay" Then after that I got a message saying I was banned for Sex talk over Wsay.
3) You need to give a detailed explanation of why you want to be unbanned.
I don't think I did anything wrong, Which is why I think I should be unbanned, It's not like I said there was something wrong with being gay or anything.
4) You need to give a SINCERE apology attuning for what you did. Especially if you verbally attacked someone. You must give an apology to that specific person, whoever it may be. I am sorry Alexenforcer for making a gay joke.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 11:08:50 GMT -6
Post by Kyou on Apr 20, 2008 11:08:50 GMT -6
I was on for only a limited amount of time after someone had complained to me that there was someone making inappropriate comments over the world public channel.
One example I saw was: "ZeroSkye is on top of DM" "ZeroAce is on top of ZeroSkye"
And before you use the arguement: "on top of" could mean many things like sitting on shoulders and what-not, don't, I'm tired of people trying to be cute and play the "But it can be interpreted a different way! Your mind is perverted!" arguement. Yes, that can be interpreted in different ways. However your purposely leaving it vague like that as a pathetic shield to hide behind for when you start to get into trouble. /mini rant I know at least 1 person asked you to stop your comments of that nature, and I tried to ask you to stop (you were banned about 5 seconds later)
and I would like to make it public that I hope you don't get unbanned untill you apologize for these issues and not just the whiney I did nothing wrong drivel
"2) State what you were banned for. You need to give acknowledgment to what caused you to be banned.
When I was banned it said I used sex talk over W say. However When I was banned, The last things I said "Will the real Alexenforcer Plz stand up" Then After that I said "Will the real Alexenforcer plz be gay" Then after that I got a message saying I was banned for Sex talk over Wsay.
[glow=red,2,300]It doesn't matter what the last thing you said was, especially to BH members, you were banned based on your previous comments as well, not just your final guilty act[/glow]
3) You need to give a detailed explanation of why you want to be unbanned.
I don't think I did anything wrong, Which is why I think I should be unbanned, It's not like I said there was something wrong with being gay or anything.
[glow=red,2,300]Like I said earlier, its not just the final straw that you should be apologizing for.[/glow]
4) You need to give a SINCERE apology attuning for what you did. Especially if you verbally attacked someone. You must give an apology to that specific person, whoever it may be.
I am sorry Alexenforcer for making a gay joke"
[glow=red,2,300]I think you owe an apology to the public at large for your other comments that took away from the "family friendly" feel of THG[/glow]
Now, in your defense I will say this. 1.) You didn't constantly spam your comments 2.) Your comments were only minorly offensive to others, however just because I said this it doesn't give you a free pass to keep it up.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 11:16:29 GMT -6
Post by Constantine on Apr 20, 2008 11:16:29 GMT -6
Denied.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 11:18:16 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Apr 20, 2008 11:18:16 GMT -6
So calling someone gay is nothing wrong, eh? Sorry. You stay banned. I saw what all you had been posting.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 13:30:54 GMT -6
Post by aceaasem on Apr 20, 2008 13:30:54 GMT -6
So i am banned forever?
I thought it was a joke sense people laughed. When someone asked me to stop I didn't start again I just said I wouldn't let it get out of hand.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 13:41:58 GMT -6
Post by Constantine on Apr 20, 2008 13:41:58 GMT -6
That's why we have a rules page. IT IS REQUIRED THAT PLAYERS READ THE RULES. Ignorance is not an excuse.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 13:56:14 GMT -6
Post by aceaasem on Apr 20, 2008 13:56:14 GMT -6
Alright then, Fair enough.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 15:07:06 GMT -6
Post by InfiniteWisdom on Apr 20, 2008 15:07:06 GMT -6
When someone cannot return to their favorite game, its like the saddest thing in life. IDK if bans last forever after being denied, but i wish you luck Kiyoto. Sometimes it is hard to see a flaw from the many accusations made, but i am glad that you recognized that sometimes making a joke can lead to problems. Although you meant no harm, the joke was taken too seriously, but at least you apologized. I am trying to look at the positives and can come up with this: 1: You apologized and i like that. 2: If you are banned forever, take it as a long vacation 3: You enjoyed and met fabulous people in THG, and we all know life isnt fair, but im sure you will be an outstanding person. There are more, but im sure you dont need me to tell you but good luck! ~InfiniteWisdom I await your return if you ever get unbanned =)
PS: I am still trying to study the importance of banning from the perspective of the player after they apologized. Its like coming to byond and leaving since it eliminates another different player, but i guess thats why there are a lot of other byond games.
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Banned
Apr 20, 2008 19:36:30 GMT -6
Post by lordphoenix on Apr 20, 2008 19:36:30 GMT -6
One tip for ya bud, that could have made the difference between denial and approval here (because I'm in a generous mood). Acknowledge your guilt in the situation. I see a lot of buck passing in your sections addressing 2) and 3). Buck passing is a big red flag that says to any sensible admin "this guy hasn't learned much, leave him out in the cold."
Had you stuck with something to the effect of "I was using sex talk over w say and called alexenforcer gay." for number 2), it would have been much more mature looking on your part. Slipping in "However, (excuses here)" really kills the idea of giving acknowledgement to the cause of the ban.
On to number 3, instead of taking the apologetic approach as you should, you go with "I want to be unbanned because I don't really think I did anything wrong. I mean, I never said there was nuthin wrong with being gay." This is just the same as saying "I want to be unbanned b/c I'm innocent, this ban were very unfair.". The BH have heard that same tired song and dance many times, it won't earn you any favor with them or any other reasonable person. "I want to be unbanned because I enjoy this game very much, and didn't mean to cross the line as much as I did" or something similar could have made all the difference in the world. Read this post, try to take some of what I'm saying to heart, verbose as it is. Since I'm in a good mood, I'll even give you the too long; didn't read version:
Acknowledge your guilt. Never try to play it down or talk around it, doing so won't get you anywhere.
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Banned
Apr 21, 2008 0:19:46 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Apr 21, 2008 0:19:46 GMT -6
The importance of banning a player is that, apology or not, sometimes it's clear that they're only sorry they were banned and not the reasons behind it. I'd hate to god seeing you ban someone on a game Wisdom. Could they declare themselves a follower of Satan and a destroyer of toddlers, and you still let them back in after saying "I'm sorry, but I don't get why I was banned anyway " ? Compassion is good, but not if you let it cloud your overall judgment to too fine a point and dont interject common sense. --And common sense, is merely *WISDOM* with it's sleeves rolled up.
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Banned
Apr 21, 2008 14:13:31 GMT -6
Post by InfiniteWisdom on Apr 21, 2008 14:13:31 GMT -6
Yes, i can see the whole being boss affect judgment. I remember being a boss and i was lenient , but its because im easy-going. I just dont like seeing anyone getting banned, even if they do deserve it. I have too much compassion even for the people that are wrong, like satan worshipers o.o, but meh, just the way i view things. When i fill the shoes of those that get banned, i say, "Dang...this is the worst day ever...hope everyone dies >_>" kinda deal. If i would get that sad/upset over one of the best games i play on byond, then i feel for many people. Thats why i got the license for interwebz lawyer But yea, sometimes the way things are phrased seem wrong, but i agree with LordPhoenix on how to phrase the apology. Of Course im sure the BH knows when someone is being sincere and honest from LEET POWA! ~InfiniteWisdom
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Banned
Apr 21, 2008 15:30:03 GMT -6
Post by aceaasem on Apr 21, 2008 15:30:03 GMT -6
It was just a joke, The Alexenforcer thing was a joke also. Besides those 2 were both of my characters, So I couldn't have offended anyone. Technically anyone under 13 shouldn't be on byond considering you need to be 13 to have an email adress.
I come to terms with being banned, I don't feel I should say sorry to anyone besides the BH considering I broke the rules. But that is the Only thing I am sorry for.
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Banned
Apr 21, 2008 15:46:31 GMT -6
Post by Constantine on Apr 21, 2008 15:46:31 GMT -6
Technically anyone under 13 shouldn't be on byond considering you need to be 13 to have an email adress. Since when? My nephew had an email at 7. I come to terms with being banned, I don't feel I should say sorry to anyone besides the BH considering I broke the rules. But that is the Only thing I am sorry for. And that's why you'll stay banned.
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Banned
Apr 21, 2008 16:11:54 GMT -6
Post by Sur Realis on Apr 21, 2008 16:11:54 GMT -6
Technically anyone under 13 shouldn't be on byond considering you need to be 13 to have an email adress. Since when? My nephew had an email at 7. It's this Act thing that you must be 13 years or older to be logged into an internet chatroom or similarly or you must have a parent/guardian permission form signed saying you can be on the chatroom. It's not really enforced, though.
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Banned
Apr 21, 2008 17:19:40 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Apr 21, 2008 17:19:40 GMT -6
Way I see it is, if people like the game that much and care about it, they won't do stupid things to get themselves banned. I care about the game, and I like it. Thus I never got myself banned. But, hey, that's just me.
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Banned
Apr 23, 2008 13:37:33 GMT -6
Post by aceaasem on Apr 23, 2008 13:37:33 GMT -6
You say it like I did it to get banned. Also if you care to explain what is Stupid?
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Banned
Apr 23, 2008 13:58:21 GMT -6
Post by InfiniteWisdom on Apr 23, 2008 13:58:21 GMT -6
Yes, people like to play around, as do i, but ive learned that you have to watch out for what you say or else people go crazy and misinterpret ^_^ Of course, no one ever understands this .....yet >_> nubcakes <_< Either way, i understand why the apology must be directed to the BH since you broke a rule, and you already apologized to the other person, "I am sorry Alexenforcer for making a gay joke." Basically, i know you wont repeat the incident, but too bad i dont make the decision. By stupid he means follow the rules or die( and follow some rules they make up along the way)! They are the BH, so even if it isnt in the rules, you have to do what they say IF they say it to you(online). Of course, people try to do logs and then tell an admin but of course you can easily edit them but w/e. ~InfiniteWisdom PS: Try not to make jokes in THG anymore because people are nubs, i mean soft. If you want a hookup on a passive unnoticed pwnt, tell me and ill hook you up.
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Banned
Apr 23, 2008 14:50:56 GMT -6
Post by lordphoenix on Apr 23, 2008 14:50:56 GMT -6
Yes, people like to play around, as do i, but ive learned that you have to watch out for what you say or else people go crazy and misinterpret ^_^ Of course, no one ever understands this .....yet >_> nubcakes <_< Either way, i understand why the apology must be directed to the BH since you broke a rule, and you already apologized to the other person, "I am sorry Alexenforcer for making a gay joke." Basically, i know you wont repeat the incident, but too bad i dont make the decision. By stupid he means follow the rules or die( and follow some rules they make up along the way)! They are the BH, so even if it isnt in the rules, you have to do what they say IF they say it to you(online). Of course, people try to do logs and then tell an admin but of course you can easily edit them but w/e. ~InfiniteWisdom PS: Try not to make jokes in THG anymore because people are nubs, i mean soft. If you want a hookup on a passive unnoticed pwnt, tell me and ill hook you up. Passive and unnoticed you are not, mr. so called wisdom. You really should quit backing up people who come in and make nasty comments/spam up wsay, especially when you have nothing better to go on than "they're misinterpreting u b/c they aren't as pwnts as we are, lololol". Having my complaint thread hijacked with the "there is no right and wrong way to speak and type, just be an individual, lulz" bullshit was bad enough, don't do the same to this one. You know saying that his remarks and comments were misinterpreted is just a strawman argument, and a weak one at that, and if you truly don't know that fact, you should probably step away from the keyboard and learn to be a little less gullible. Call this a flame post if you want, but the idiocy overrunning these forums and this game lately utterly disappoints me.
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Banned
Apr 23, 2008 14:57:07 GMT -6
Post by Rand on Apr 23, 2008 14:57:07 GMT -6
I'm tired of your damned insolence, Wisdom. You can interpret THAT as being forum banned till further notice.
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