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Post by Kyou on Jan 13, 2006 21:56:57 GMT -6
We all know what happened, release your anger here *Opinions*
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Post by U. Dye on Jan 13, 2006 22:03:03 GMT -6
Only thing I got to say(unless I'm compelled for some reason to speak on it some more) is that the best thing to do right now is to wait until things start to settle down and return to a state of normalcy.
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Post by Crazy Cloud on Jan 13, 2006 22:04:12 GMT -6
Lol, mett pulled the plug.
Don't get mad about this people, it's for the best anyways. You can't powerlevel on other online rpgs (Real ones, like mmo's that I'm sure everyone has tried out before) so just get with the times.
Do you really get better in real life when you just watch someone do something all the time? Hahahaha, sure you can... not. So take a reality check and live with the times. This is for the best and it's how the game was ment to be played. If you don't like it, you don't have to play. The point of conflict is that you can't always find people to party with, however with this change there will be alot more people to party with b/c everyone is looking for someone just like you are. This isn't bad by any means and this is just how things should be anyways.
What's your point people? You mad because you can't lvl up 20 times in a day? Oooo well, suck it up and play the game. All your arguments aren't neccesarily going to do any good anyways. It's not your game, it's the Brotherhood's game and if you don't like it then you can take yourself else where. Just because you spent 50 hours on one character doesn't mean you should be able to get a alternate to the same point in a matter of days. There aren't a bunch of shortcuts to everything, so stop looking for one.
Play the game or don't, ff:thg will go on no matter what.
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Post by smashnuke on Jan 13, 2006 22:07:35 GMT -6
This is a problem that will just have to fix itself, which it will. Hell, I'm contemplating remaking my Blackbelt to help. And noone had better say they didn't contribute to this problem, even if they didn't drag someone to TotE. In my Val days, most parties would have a mage that just psychostormed everything. It wasn't nearly as bad at DM, but then again, Kaug sucks I could never train in IC, because everyone was at Mona, and I had to be dragged there. After I'd beaten Gey, I went back to SS to help a party there, so yes I did contribute to this problem a little bit. Yes, I said it. I contributed to this problem.
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Post by Crazy Cloud on Jan 13, 2006 22:09:18 GMT -6
I was a contributor as well. This isn't a case of one person ruined it for everyone, everyone ruined it for everyone.
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Post by Kyou on Jan 13, 2006 22:11:19 GMT -6
Time to play devils advocate,
You guys might come off as kind of heartless, have you stopped to think about how now the new generation doesn't get a chance to contribute to the problem?
Not much but eh, I tried, and the best I could do at the time with no previous thought and with whats been given to me.
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Post by U. Dye on Jan 13, 2006 22:12:40 GMT -6
I contributed a bunch, and I chastise myself for it every day. I dragged a bunch of people down to ToTE, I got some help from a couple higher-levels at one point, and I've returned to SK to level people(although, my thinking there was, I'd be helping a little bit to ensure that they didn't reach ToTE at a low level).
I reiterate. I contributed, and I've kicked myself for it several times. I kicked the living shit out of myself the moment I spoke out and became a hypocrite.
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Post by smashnuke on Jan 13, 2006 22:25:22 GMT -6
Back to the main topic... I think that until V8 comes out (and with it PoP2), the restriction shouldn't apply to Magora. Since the people who haven't beaten Mag aren't really being powerleveled, and both groups are enlightened and thus fighting for the same goal.
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Post by Thornreaper on Jan 13, 2006 22:43:53 GMT -6
Evidently, talking has become pointless.... FIRSTLY Everyone seems to have mixed opinions so I'll just clearly state mine... You know what? SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE. Was this it? Hell no it wasn't it. I maintain that this was ill-thought out and ill discussed. The only players who actually talked about it and had an opinion where Conny and Kain. That's bogus. This affects the players very much, therefore they deserve to know. SECONDLY. The mass confusion? The BH deserves it at this point in time for not warning anyone. I hope none of them expected for us to take it lying down. I will accept whatever desicions they make. THIRDLY. I have contributed to the problem a lot. As you all know I make alts. And a lot of them. I help my own alts, And to help my alts I party with other people. My interpertation of Rushing is when a group is rushed the entire game. Mass leveling at one point or another is helpful. You may say it ruins the fun, but who are you to determine other peoples fun? I am not trying to help new people to ToTE, I'm simply enjoying myself by making alts. And to do that, I train other people with me. FOURTHLY. The implemented system is good to an extent. I'm tired of all the extremely selfish people who are worried about their specific area. They want to make changes that effect the entire game, when they only play the game in a certain area. That's a problem. I think that the new generation shouldn't be as rushed as this generation. I do not support the idea of a Pwipe to solve the problem. Let's see what else... I guess I'll just respond to what others say now. In Conclusion, I think any diffrence of opinion to mine, Mostly depends if the person who disagrees is an alter. That is what I'm worried about, but then again I have most my chars made. Whatever happens, happens, and I hope the FFTHG Public is respective and takes it in. But I hope the BH is accepting of other peoples concerns. I'll play the game, no matter what you guys do. Except a Pwipe.. I'd be pretty pissed then P.S Yeah Smash, I think that's an alright Idea, but people do seem to kill mag realtivly soon after they get there.
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Post by akuma on Jan 13, 2006 22:44:23 GMT -6
I've been helped from time to time by higher ups, and I've also helped a lot with my enlightened. This rule is OK as far as I'm concerned. though I would have rather have seen the restrictions lvl based.
Having it so that people of the same IP can party together would have also been nice, but meh.
Also, it should at least be made possible for enlightened to party with enlightened whether or not those persons have defeated Mag.
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Post by Crazy Cloud on Jan 13, 2006 22:48:54 GMT -6
Yeah... I agree with thorn, but I think I'd quit if there was a Pwipe and I don't think U. Dye would stand for this nither. I was pretty shaky after mahn's comp got ganked, you saw how long I was out for, but I caved in and came back.
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Post by Kyou on Jan 13, 2006 22:50:33 GMT -6
I'd like to respond to those who complain about the length of time it takes to train at Mona to get strong enough to go to TotE without being run down there.
If you don't like to fight the dragons for weeks on end, go ahead to the Imps part of the Pits of Pain hunting ground, they're not too difficult, you'll be partied with post Geyzer people, and they nearly give out as much EXP as an Ice dragon, and you'll get MORE of them.... just a thought for those who you konw... whine.
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Post by Crazy Cloud on Jan 13, 2006 22:55:05 GMT -6
I liked thorn's idea about the same ip partying. Although it seems that nothing is going to change and to support this theory is mett's plug pulling.
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Post by Kain on Jan 13, 2006 23:25:21 GMT -6
Evidently, talking has become pointless.... FIRSTLY You know what? SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE. Was this it? Hell no it wasn't it. I maintain that this was ill-thought out and ill discussed. The only players who actually talked about it and had an opinion where Conny and Kain. That's bogus. This affects the players very much, therefore they deserve to know. You act as though the BH said "hey, lets go to the inn at ToTE and ask the people there what they think about solutions to this powerleveling problem and make a snap decision based on their opinions. lol!" This debate (the powerleveling/dragging one) has been going on for a long time and the BH has heard both sides of it, and I'm sure they've given this decision a lot of thought. Do I think this change is perfect? No. But in this case, I believe the means justify the ends. No solution is going to make everyone happy, but this particular one is pretty damn effective at doing what it's supposed to do. Y'know, while we're suggesting changes to policy, I think the police should give all criminals a one-day notice before busting them so that, y'know, the criminals have some time to destroy incriminating evidence and/or flee. The game wasn't designed with mass-leveling/dragging/all that other crap in mind; it was designed with hard work and long hours in mind for the players. You can say "BUT THAT'S ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION KAIN" but the BH's actions seem to back me up, no? You can say "DON'T TELL ME HOW TO HAVE FUN KAIN" but you said it yourself over AIM: a lot of the people who get dragged to ToTE (and probably got dragged in other parts of the game) kinda disappear after they get there, whereas a lot of the people who actually worked to get where they are still logging on. Gee, why could that be? Yeah, 'cause Dye and myself (yeah, we know you meant us) logged onto the game, made our characters, and used 1337 cheat codes to start the game at ToTE at level 50-something and all we had to do was beat Magora and bam, we were done. Seriously, it's not like we never had to go through SK/DM/SS/IC/Mon, and it's not like we never observed the things that went on in those areas while we trained there--Dye, at least; there wasn't much powerleveling to speak of when I was in those places (at least, not with ToTE'ers, since ToTE wasn't even in the game yet/no one had reached it, depending on the server). BUT! Nowadays, you don't even need to be in SK/DM/SS/IC/Mon to know that there's lots of powerleveling and dragging going in those places; all you need is basic reading ability and the Ignore World verb turned off. As for us being selfish, you being against the idea because you can't drag your alts anymore reeks of selfishness, huh?
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Post by Erb on Jan 13, 2006 23:54:57 GMT -6
eh,, im dumb and dont get wut the hell all that crap was about but,, i helped lotsa people a freaking crapload back when. hmm,, and i like this new lvl restriction thingy,, it keeps people where they suppose to be and makes the game more funner actually (in a challenging way), y cry about it when it does that!? it did, i played SS with parp and it was funner actually,, without some damn super-hero in the party. i probably repeated wut 1 of u already said and i probably said a whole latta nothin but, erb wanted to add an opinion ;D
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Post by Jumin on Jan 14, 2006 2:22:07 GMT -6
meh... just last week slick and a party at mona were on my case for not leaving TotE, and they were complaining how a sense of being the good samiritan and helping others out had died from the game. I think this boss cap limits players getting to know each other. I can see this in myself as no one really knows me, since i never leave TotE except for like thorn.. and Dye... and etc know me... but those are other tote people.. Another thing.. no one's getting dragged to places.. I don't see people complaining about being "dragged" off to TotE or mona. These people are calling out for these parties to try and progress through the game. IMO, it seems the most complaints has been from the TotEers saying that TotE has become too crowded, and TotE hasn't become special anymore. What the hell... what else are you supposed to do after beating Gey? Stare longfully into the West corridor of the ogre pool?? Another thing, why complain about the people who stop playing after getting to TotE? after Mag, there's not much to do except train, and the occasional Titan bush.. You guys also need to remember that the BH has projected that once V8 comes out, they're expecting 80 plus poeple logged on, so i don't think parties will be THAT hard to come by. But, let's just see how things go once V8 comes. Let's trust the BH. You've already seen what they've come up with up to V7.. let's show a little faith, eh
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Post by Sarm on Jan 14, 2006 2:50:49 GMT -6
You know, it kinda helps if ONE OF YOU GUYS actually goes into detail what this "implementation" could be. Talking about "it" the entire time and what you're going to do to deal with "this" is like reading the world's worst mystery novel.
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Post by just2slick4u on Jan 14, 2006 5:10:00 GMT -6
Ok, what the hell happened, I am so lost, I didnt stay long on friday, I was at a friend's house, then I got home, lifted some weights, my parents were using the comp, so I fell asleep watching an old Bond movie, now I hear Mett pulled the plug, and complaints about powerlevelling, someone break this "conflict" down for me...
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Post by Constantine on Jan 14, 2006 6:38:20 GMT -6
Ok for you people that don't know what this is about.
Basically there have been boss related party restrictions put in. If you are before Vallatio you CANNOT party with people that have beat him. Same goes for all the bosses and the Enlightenment. And Thorn, this conversation was brought up at ToTE, if you ask Kija he'll say he didn't like the situation from the first day that powerleveling started. Kain and I just gave our input on how to make it work. We weren't all like "ZOMG lolz u shud du tis 2 end pwerlvlin n jus spring it on evar1!11! rofflewafflecopterlolz!!"
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If you try to join a party now that your not suppose to you'll get this: "This party is at a different point compared to your investigation progress. Please try joining another party more suitable to your goals."
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Post by Sarm on Jan 14, 2006 8:24:11 GMT -6
Wow, that sucks. What about people who are inevitably left behind by their parties as they progress through the game? What happens to those who pass a point, left behind, and are then not strong enough to fight in their proper areas? What are you going to do about people who simply have bad luck finding parties, or usually end up in shitty ones?
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Post by Mettool on Jan 14, 2006 9:05:56 GMT -6
What really infuriates me about this is that nobody was informed of any of this until it was implemented. Not even me. This was a major change that a certain someone took upon himself to do without anyone's feedback.
And about the plug-pulling : I did it so it didnt turn into a huge flamewar. I did this for your own good. It'll be back up tommorow.
[edit] And if you want my opinion on the "feature" itself. I hate it. This game is already too restrictive, and we don't need to group people like coorporate offices. I want it removed. All it's doing is generating hate, and I cannot see one positive thing about it.
[edit 2] Kija, i'm not mad at you.... but seriously, what the hell?
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Post by Thornreaper on Jan 14, 2006 9:34:43 GMT -6
What really infuriates me about this is that nobody was informed of any of this until it was implemented. Not even me. This was a major change that a certain someone took upon himself to do without anyone's feedback.
.. Nice Mett, But I heard from Kija that this was Well-thought out and it was totally planned. Shvoe it Kain, you are starting to annoy me. Just looking at my statement instead of the enitre problem is really retarded. I'm going to live with the change no matter what happens, And yeah I'd figure wanting to make alts is seflish. But wanting changes made that effect everyone when you arn't everyone is pretty gay. If you are worried about mona>Tote then worry about that, because this issue effects the entire game. This isn't your fight Kain, So shut up already.
--Again, I'm freaking done with this. Changes are most likely going to be made, and I can wait until then. No hard feelings.
Last edit I promise.
a lot of the people who get dragged to ToTE (and probably got dragged in other parts of the game) kinda disappear after they get there, whereas a lot of the people who actually worked to get where they are still logging on. Gee, why could that be?
..Quoted by Kain.... Umm what the hell is wrong then? If the "people who don't deserve to be there" Never come back, what are you complaining about?
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Post by Mettool on Jan 14, 2006 9:38:50 GMT -6
.. Nice Mett, But I heard from Kija that this was Well-thought out and it was totally planned. Sure, I heard there was gonna be a "Boss lockout system" ...I didn't think it was gonna be like this. I kinda just got "Okay, we have a new lockout system. Here you go." Dude, whatever....
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Post by smashnuke on Jan 14, 2006 10:44:31 GMT -6
Now that I'm awake... Mett you did mention something about a second way to stop power-leveling. Will this be put in anytime soon or is this going to be a V8 addition?
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Post by Kain on Jan 14, 2006 10:53:46 GMT -6
Resorting to vulgarity? Sounds like Thorn... .. Nice Mett, But I heard from Kija that this was Well-thought out and it was totally planned. Shvoe it Kain, you are starting to annoy me. Oh no, I'm starting to annoy Thorn! Better do what he says! /sarcasm Did you skim through my post or something? This is a problem that affects the whole game, and it's easy to see that. Just saying "YOU ONLY THINK ABOUT ONE AREA" over and over doesn't make it true, pal. As for this not being my fight-- I play the game and I have the right to speak my opinion on the forums just like any other (non-banned) player. Live with it. Besides, you mentioned me in this thread first. I wasn't complaining about it, I was using it to prove a point, about your whole "WELL SOME PEOPLE THINK BEING POWERLEVELED IS FUN KAIN" defense. I'll let you connect the rest of the dots.
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Post by smashnuke on Jan 14, 2006 11:09:58 GMT -6
I think I know where this is starting to head. Time to get the defenses ready...
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Post by just2slick4u on Jan 14, 2006 11:19:13 GMT -6
First off, Thanks Constantine for the brief explanation.
Ok, Kija has done a lot for us in this game, I would usually not doubt his logic, but this.....well, I dunno, I mean, when someone asks for an SS party there are normally zero to two replies, I remember one night, someone was like WOW 52 investigators online, Reap later corrected him saying 52 investigators, 37 people(somewhere in the mid to high thirties), so that goes to show you how many people actually play the game.Then theres the character shortage, the mass dragoons, bluemages and knights. Yeah, it will spread diversity, but it could also lead to people who misuse thier characters, then come here on the forums, demanding something be changed about them, I myself have done it many a time with my thief and blackbelt, but I recently discovored thier "battle purposes." I mean, why can't my knight(Flint) train his grandson at DM(Sieg, the Son of Sliq), and such. I really don't want to make my point too harsh, because I respect Kija, but if the change is made, I will follow without complaint, I just don't want to see my friends so harshly split on this, oh and for all you guys taking blame, this is mostly my fault. So yeah, looks like all those hassen -> mona/ mona->Tote runs came to bite me in the ass. I hope most of you "enlightened" are happier this way...
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Post by Sandlight on Jan 14, 2006 11:51:53 GMT -6
Isn't funny that only the ToTE people are stateing their opinions? hmm? Just something i notice...
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Post by smashnuke on Jan 14, 2006 12:05:51 GMT -6
Well, we aren't stopping non-TotE players from posting. They just haven't had the time/decided not to post in this topic.
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Post by Kain on Jan 14, 2006 12:08:59 GMT -6
Isn't funny that only the ToTE people are stateing their opinions? hmm? Just something i notice... I think that has more to do with who actually uses the forums as far as ToTE'ers VS. non-ToTE'ers. The number of SK/DM/SS/IC users who have registered is probably higher than the number of ToTE'ers who have done the same, but I see more ToTE'ers actually using their accounts than people in other areas. What Smash said is also a factor.
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